Sam Kogutt
Sam Kogutt was born in 1925 in Bay City, Texas. His father, a cobbler descended from six generations of shoemakers, came to America through Galveston around 1913, fleeing Poland to avoid a long conscription in the Russian army. His mother, older sister, and brother followed years later through Ellis Island. The family traced its roots to a town east of Warsaw that once had a large Jewish population, and Sam later learned his grandparents perished in the Holocaust. His father worked hard, at one point buying a former bank building and a house, though the Depression forced him to sell off much of his business and return to shoe repair. Sam worked as a boy in grocery stores and a department store, and grew up with a close group of friends, attending Jefferson Davis grammar school and Bay City High School, where he lettered in track and football.
Sam entered the Army at 17 through a training program, then went to basic training and joined a division trained by the Marines for amphibious landings. Slated for the Pacific, his unit was rushed to Europe after the Battle of the Bulge, going into action in early 1945. He fought in the encirclement of the Ruhr Valley, where hundreds of thousands of Germans surrendered, and once marched some 200 prisoners himself. He helped liberate a small camp near Siegen and later reached Flossenburg, though his sergeant kept him from entering. After the German surrender he was sent to Japan, arriving after the war ended, and served about six months as an assistant company clerk, forming friendships with local people and learning to ski near Fukushima.
After the war Sam finished the University of Texas in 1949 and came to Dallas seeking work. He married Irene in 1951, and the couple raised three sons. He worked eleven years as a production manager for a vinyl products company, helping pioneer travel garment bags, then moved briefly to Indiana before returning to Dallas. In 1965 he and Irene started Dart Manufacturing, a license plate and later credit-card stamping and promotional products business that grew successful with his three sons and was eventually sold. A lifelong fisherman, he invented fishing products including floating tackle boxes and reel covers. In Dallas he was active in the Jewish community, including a Jewish Boy Scout troop, and in later years he befriended Holocaust survivor Max Roman, who had been at Flossenburg.
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Sam 1925 bass City Texas let's go back there what do you remember when you were just a little boy I can remember a thousand things well tell me something when you're just small all right we lived in a very small complex my father was a cobbler thick shoes he came through Galveston in 1913 eighty percent first one brother and my mother came over it's at the same time 1919 he already known your mother than bet they were married they had two kids oh they were married a kid and a son and I older my older sister and my mother was pregnant with her she was
born after my father got on the ship to get out he had to leave Poland otherwise he had been in the Russian army that's a 20-year hitch I think that was they said so he came here about six years before your mom oh absolutely six or seven years he came here and he landed in Galveston he worked at us shoots to her family Europe old cows and family my name is Ian and he had a shoe repair shop and he worked there as soon as he had enough money he and another fella from the same shtetl by name a laser that lived in Victoria they
got on the train my father had 75 cents he got off at base city borish laser had dollar and a half he got off in Victoria both were cobblers they were like a second family to us we went to Galveston to visit my aunts and uncles or we went to Victoria to see that family now you had two brothers and two silver brothers was born in Poland and my older sister was my next to was delivered by the doctor to came across the street the same straight behalf of blocks now your grandparents did you never got to meet them I've never got to meet him
and I only found out a few months ago that they were sent don't camp really okay do you know what they did for a living my father my grandfather six generations before him but shoemakers and common what town were they all raised their livings rich and it means the RI CH is east of Warsaw maybe a hundred kilometres I've been there but he's left there were 25,000 Jewish people living there where did you go to grammar school Jefferson Davis grammar school okay and what was what was that like for you I had friends you know I had a friends and would have lived through a
bathroom and we were the Cub Scouts together we went fishing together we played football together I didn't about what that was a I got my letter and football and track and I had we had a great group of kids so there are several of Jewish several of our Jewish my dad father was a very close friend of mine we worked side-by-side putting his Texas tax stamps on cigarettes we did that for about two or three years together you know when you were just a young boy the Depression hit you know did it affect your family at all oh absolutely my father before he before that
of the depression he had a sort of branched out it had men men's work clothes and shoes in this but he had to sell all that off to feed us and then he just became a cobbler only and he took the building he had he had and the time he got here in 1930 about 1919 my father bought a bank building old bank building right on the corner of Main Street and Bay City and also bought my mother a house 3 nice you know a big nice house for the family when she got here from she got off in Ellis Island and came down from
the trade with her brother and her sister and herself so he really came here and really worked hard that he talked to you about when the depression hidden he had to sell everything off how hard that was to go man I was looking around I lived through it I realized we were struggling I started making money about me trying to be a shine boy but I got a better job us being working for the dense buyers grandparents had this little grocery store and I would take bags of beans of bags or rice and break it up from a hundred pounds to five pound package I'll
work there they don't work for another grocery and then he'll work for a department store I'll work the whole time I was growing those these people who work for a Jewish three grocery stores I work for the one departments to department stores I work for where'd you go to high school play city high school play cats and you played sports there ran track with the one that good basketball player I didn't have the hands I said a little bitty hands and I thought it was a second string that never got in the lineup yeah but I'll started lettered in track and high our football football
would you play in football it was a defensive end they didn't have platooning that day but I could tackle my closest friend he could catch passes he went bunch of defense I was good on defense so you were in high school world war ii broke out yes do you remember when that happened older brother and his wife came out for every Sunday that they came out my mother put a big spread out and we were sitting around and then we heard the radio my sister blow those dirty bastards I've never heard her say a cuss word for since that changed my life right there now
that your two older brothers did they have to go as we sort of served in the army the Dead Boys the three den boys all served in the army right everybody in town although Jewish men you know other draft age we're in the army yeah one only one fertile he was he was sent to work in a good fence plan now did everybody come back home everybody make it home okay let's let's go on now you joined the army oh when I was six 17 right the army created a program called the a12 Ras TRP to combat with the v12 program that the Navy the
Navy started the v12 program has started taking the cream of the crop they were b12 trained the young 17 year olds to become instance the H well program got started but before it before I could got through it they had to battle the bulge and we were well partment when I got 18 I had to go to basic right and I went to basic training yeah I went to camp Roberts and then to San Luis Obispo and where I was assigned to the 9750 division this division was trained by the Marines to do landings and we worked up but that we went down the coast
we did landings off the coast of San Diego we did a filing Sam was landing in Camp Pendleton and that we went up to what which is Vandenberg Air Force to camp cook we were supposed to go overseas right - you're up to Japan okay but it was Christmas 1944 the Battle of the Bulge and they changed real quick like we are merely rushed to the east coast our division and our sort of a sister divisions rushed to Europe we both landed with the days of each other and we went into action March the 1st 1945 I'd land in little Harve went through Belgium to
get to the front line right across the river from the Cologne was there a plan for you guys who were you just finding information out as you're going along well they were rushing us because we've just freshly trained around the 1st of April we were in the line we jumped off it would involve the last big battle of the war her sisters revision was right right up next to us the 86 and we went in to be what you did the incircle for the entire Ruhr Valley and there were 20 American and British divisions and we captured three got over 325,000 Germans surrendered to us
always chased some prisoners one day I started off with 15 I had 200 but time I got to the pens were you nervous or scared at all just you with 200 prisoners that I wasn't scared a bit but a sniper rolled up with me and I just got in line with the German soldiers they could he could tear it then he would shoot and these soldiers there was just no more fight in them they were done they wanted the Trinity what they were thinking what did that the water stop yeah and that they would you know the three week that that last battle I walked
into Dusseldorf ahead of my rifle company not maybe out Rodian I went caught a ride with a Red Cross driver that didn't know where he's going and we go into Dusseldorf and we were ahead of the rifle company now what was the name of this battle the Battle of the rally our first battle will be we had to attack the city across a river we're we were taking the city of seek burg which is on a sikh burger which on the right of right across from practically across from cologne there was a levy and we all lined up behind the levy that we thought we
were protected but barters the Germans just came rounded down the levy with Marty shells they talked that my I was supposed to be litter beer that day they knocked out my you know the medics of the battalion that got pepper killed him only piece of shrapnel I heard hit my hip my boot didn't the sold my boot no I recovered me the dirt it did not what Barry did that you guys came across concentration camp all right we went I went to to near Seberg there was a smaller one so like a medical of big Sam deal and I went to that one and if
I could walk in and it was in the 86th sector right they thought you know we were able to divide them about they sent us by truck to there and we went through the camp my squad what did you see there well I saw people in the pen to get the bunks and I spoke to a menu dish anyway yeah it was pretty tough never came out of there and there was a some they had those guards had some women they were using and they got all excited this they said they can't talk to us and that's I could understand them finish the sauce enough
determined there were some guards from the camp will come he down the road and we see them they see us they start running up the hill and one of the guys that we opened up with a couple of BIA ARS and stuff like that they came in surrendered to us then we gave them we turned them over the 86 yeah but that was you remember thee how was the first camp what was the name of that camp it was near the town of Siegen SC iGEM yeah okay I don't think it had a name was too small and do you remember any things that the
people might have said to you when you got there no they all talked to me or is it very glad to see you though I'm sure yeah okay and that now that you guys know you were going to that camp or did you just happen upon it no no my the 86 liberated camp somehow they passed it on to my room where we were like that right we you know which they followed us in California they follows this to Staten Island they finally get on the boat they would follow they were quickly put together so yeah okay okay and then you went on to another
camp that was later on the we finished the the Battle of the Ruhr Valley they put us on trucks I had that the truck because our turnin had at any tank cannon they put us they dropped the cannon off in the drop that left the cannon and around Dusseldorf or somewhere and we went without the cannon all the way across to the Czech border we generated go to the Czech border and they found flossenbürg flossenbürg was when the oldest camps in the Germany where all these all the major political prisoners and stuff like they were killed there executed they're the most noted one of us
see better Stern Bibles or Dietrich about to offer and then there was Canaris was killed there john Canaris he was a head of the German secret service okay it did Lee suspected him of being but merciless I guess you got us and also there was a somebody from Belgium that was there but I don't think you I don't know if he was executed not but but loyalty we went to the camp and my sergeant says this is one blank detail you don't get and sent me down the road of peace to court of German tannery that was loaded with the German Navy supplies that there
was no more look German Navy I stayed there two weeks while my squad was cleaning up flossenbürg yeah I went back to pick up this would lead to the fact of the squad got back together I went back to the squad I walked into headquarters I saw some of the thing is to the lampshade they had to be a couple of new things and I started to go back to see the camp well you know what my sergeant says no private yeah so I never went into the camp now 1995 when I went to the Czech Republic whenever the honor should we were given by
our division we went to become years later here in Dallas you met and became friends with a gentleman that was in that concentration camp Mike school but to tell us that story well found out about Max Roman because he was leading the march of the living kids of the odd not to go to Poland and then to the Israel that was part of their curriculum and I saw one of them write-ups about it but it had been the philosopher and when I went up together but alia said max we got something in common and he I told him about flossenbürg and we got together next
day yeah and at the end of the dungeon like he took my papers and I said botch when you take my papers before they take him there was a founder than talents Holocaust Museum well actually Mike Jacobs who just died what's the other one yeah the next that he remembered all about when the Americans arrived oh yes he was he was not in the camp he was on the train heading for a death camp and in the Americans or British planes knocked the train out and he ran off the woods an American Jewish officer in the Signal Corps captain or something found and it took
him under his arm and that max got to finally got to the States and then he came to Fort Hood to be he was drafted in the army and that was stationed at Fort Hood and now I guess he came to Dallas and met freedom from Europe they were gonna send you to Japan then we've had a 30-day leave right and we went to Fort Bragg and we were coming off we were getting some automatic carbines of something and if we cut off the firing ranges who came into the from the firing range they just dropped a big bomb in Japan they got us on
a train with a few days and we're headed for Seattle some of the guys were jumping off the train I would do that that we got to Seattle we went out three days after we're leaving Seattle the war's over thirty days later I land in Japan we stop till Hawaii he will Jima Saipan Siebert he would gene when we've got off the boat and Hawaii got off the boat and it's the Jewish holidays and I won't they had the they told everybody to go to the to the go to the basket huh Honolulu High School for Russia sure holidays and I'm walking up the steps
in Honolulu high school and guess who I'm sitting there my dad his father I spent two days with him then swam away Kiki Beach then I had to get back up my boat I get to Japan I'm in Japan about three or four days we're sitting out in although a Japanese Air Force Base there were hangars they're still up but there were wrecked plane scattered they're home alone the between the runways I'm sitting there we're playing we're in our tents playing bridge and somebody sticks his head says hey Kovac just an officer looking for you and I say what Mike did I do now there's
my brother he was a I think I don't know if you as an instant lieutenant j.g but he was the navigator on a ship but whole cruiser from World War two you know I think they always ship in the Navy or near closest and he says you don't know how lucky you were I says why did you know you were your landing spot was I said I don't know didn't know we got a landing spot you were gonna land in Tokyo Bay anyway he spent about an hour with me and he'd gotten on the train by himself with a 45 on the side he was
the only American on the train he came up about a hundred about 100 miles up on the Tri how did the chimp nice people take to you guys that was very interesting anyway he get back hurt in the ship but there was another story I'm going through Belgium and I look out of the bout of the b1a4 T&H and I looked out there and that's a truck with my older brothers and said you them number on his 726 or really battalion I said where's Pete he's always delivered some stuff on business with his truck he was driving a truck at the time I did he
ran into you anyway I stayed in Japan six months now let's company clerk that was assistant company clerk and Austin I had taken basic training with this is a clerk typist because I could type there was a young fella those little older and I was it was company clerk and and when I got you paying to the sergeant says you're going to be the sister that got sister company clerk and I went to that regimental headquarters and I stayed there waiting up there all the orders to send the guys back okay one of us had to be on with the base all the time the
jailer got to stay in Japan Japanese people though were ok with you guys there when we got there the women were in pantaloons which was very non feminine you might say like sweat suits right and then a person they were commodious the time we left they were addresses yet everybody had French Japanese friends every time was a group of us getting on the train there would be 30 or 40 Japanese people telling us goodbye I had a particular friend it was an engineer that worked at us we had taken over a sort of a Harman Factory in this city Fukushima which is in the news
every day practically because of a nuclear plant going up there we typically took the up to the mountains where we could ski and I mentioned it to the Italian officers it was a charge of our hard are pretty soon we had a special train just take us up there and bring us back with a with a sack lunch and I learned how to ski there after a few weeks we never had a pistol on us I never walked around with guns or anything like that we just blended in with the people there now what did you meet Irene oh she was going with about one
of my friends clothes fed while triple dated with her I had a different I was going out with somebody else's my area was going with my friend he was - he was the boy from the fellow from El Campo which is the three major counts of our congregation that was this before the war are after or else this was a bad way after this at night this has been 1949 ok so you're back from the war oh yeah did you go to scored you go to work I had to start at the University of Texas 43 they sent me to LSU for four months so
cold many in EM for three months then it but the basic training when I came back I came back finished University of Texas 1949 came in Dallas to look for a job because my brother was working here and I couldn't find one so like the Galveston you know while I was a galliston well off would be a job working and him in store and I was working in term instant worth and that was in the summer of 49 and then I went home for the holidays through digital holidays and one of the leader of the congregation he asked me what I was doing I said
selling ties and shirts and Galveston he said I got a job for you so I came back home was I was to hit you ride or riding a bus basically to Wharton each day and that I had a nothing buddy about little stupid Studebaker then I was just gotten it when I got this call from the since returning brothers they had had of their father who was super thanking me that they'd got out of Germany before the war went to Mexico and they went to Corpus Christi got a luggage shop and they came upon the father was very sharp and they came the vital plastic
that had just been invented and he had a luggage store and he is wanted to Bab luggage covers made out of vinyl and they sent me all over the country to measure different kinds of luggage but they didn't know that vinyl shrunk we made all these thousands of mm luggage of pieces of luggage covers did it all went into Philip dumpsters while they were messing with this luggage cover fellow off the street came in and says I want a garment bag made out of that material so they knocked out they made a garment bag out of it the guy walks out he sees that the
zippers up going up down and stead of up but he took it and he says shoot guys did that a miracle that's exactly what I wanted so I looked at each other says maybe it so everybody want someone they were the first one to come with traveling through garbage bags Wow I worked for it for 11 years we really grew what was the name of that company it was called well it can be capable plastic products something incorporated and then they bought a big raincoat they changed his dock machine which is a block wish it was a ladies raincoat line which it was naturally known
but I worked for him for 11 years as a production manager and we outgrew that we bought this company aqua sheen and we move the plant from Dallas to Mount Vernon Hill Indiana and I lived in Evansville and drilled about 15 miles to Mount Vernon to work and at the plant there was an old Union plant and as production manager I was in another war but after two years everybody was up to stuff and then my owners of the business took my incentive plan away I had three little boys and I'd worked pretty hard for up for them and I thought that was so I
got the first vacation I found a job in Dallas and came back that lasted six months I had four of the jobs four or five of the jobs all going down the hill and down the ladder you might say my wife and I she had $5,000 worth of war bonds from World War two point five thousands from my cousins and brother-in-law but I had five that we started with $10,000 then we back in 1965 and it was a very successful you know what business did you start we started to company called dark manufacturing dar T we had it before the at the dark yeah I
had dark one and dark - license plates yeah what dark first came in it was not very friendly I mean people were I've been friendly like you thought you'd get the finger wanted to license plate up it we struggle and struggle but we became very successful and then we get ready to hire we hired a president and he told me I don't want I'm not gonna work forget three sons there were three sons my wife and I we did really good each son had a seps the youngest son was the it started with my wife and he was great in sales my middle son took
over water dr. Parr was stamping credit cards would be they've gotten very big in that and the third all the sudden was a very good designer yeah and I remanded back as the business still going we sold it sold it okay well I was just telling you the president found at the German the largest German of the largest fountain company in Europe to bust for big bucks in 2007 that's great 2008 but faith blade little recession well the fact that they could make a profit on the business but there was not the recessions they didn't listen to the president I left him in charge they were taking orders
from Germany and this is the promotional products industry which you've got to be right on your toes there's five other competitors making the same things you are you were on a triple date right you weren't dating her at the time no how did you guys start to date actually we two separate people that we went out for a cult date then I ended up taking everything that started taking out right now my friend what the brothers are really interested he had a couple more years at the University of Texas he was Austin but he was studying to be an architect so he had already finished
and he he was had two more years to go so he wouldn't he wasn't looking at looking to get married and what what years you guys get married 51 it was certain invention in your lifetime that came along that he went Wow how did we ever get along without that I invented a few things album fisherman I've been a fisherman since that time the hottest product came to us was not a fishing product if somebody brought it into US bank and then he couldn't come up with the money to pay for the diet of the materials or I work and then we took it ourselves
and it grew to be two and a half made lady's clutch purses we sold them to banks and my bad mother's youngest son and my oldest son get a lot of that what else did you invent wide benefic tackle things I'm in Mount Vernon yep Indiana Irene's family lived in Mount Vernon Illinois which is about 90 miles away and I'm growing up we are visited here many by this sort of IRAs Uncle Joe Glassman takes me says Sam I got a closet full of scraps because baking taking buying vinyl clothes out for expanded vinyls and selling it and kissed too close covered down ed chairs
or horse to chairs and stuff like that but a piece of foam and it's several pieces of plastic that person could cover their own chairs anyway he calls me and said but I got a whole closet for this expanded vinyl so look in there and he did few months later I'm back in Dallas they look very open though a new lake I'm going down there get some fish and I take the three boys we stopped in a bait store Bob shiners and laying on a counter is what's called a real boot it's slip over the end of a rod with the real own entered the
drawstring on top anyway I called my Irish uncle I said send me a box leather vinyl this is the type of stuff I did all my life I get the stripe my brother there was a company in Houston headquarter you know Archer and sport he gets family they also work at a Dragons bunch of dragon stores and he had relatives working in I worked at that when I was a kid I worked at Washington Osmund druggist my brother had worked at manage a store and worked for us yep entrepreneur for many years 30 or 40 years anyway I said who do I go see a
Tosh was to sell this item to so he tells me a hand solution but that's a nephew of Jake Osmond and I walk in and say it I answer this is you know the other dude he knew we may be of our lives I said I've got this item you think he could sell it well he took it to the back showed it to the other people in the in the warehouse they said sure give me four dozen what was that item it's real booth yeah okay there now put the dosh would started selling that I thought banking other item some other items are not
designed better items after the wheel and we made the best thing we made was organizers I may do floating tackle box they wouldn't hold up 100 floating lures and the ladies bass fisherman fell in love with it because they could carry 100 lures and he went floating in the water I had that happen then I flipped the boat I had two bags two bags with lures floating and they floated everything else is the bottom attack so oh wow biggest fish you ever caught 150 pounds what kind of fish halibut and Alaska gave you a battle did that 45 minutes mate wanted to take the ride
away from me I said no way but we got it up there I wanted to give it to the ship to the small ship we're on and the lady says it's not from official purveyor the fish was still alive the charter boat says I'll freeze it for you and ship it to you by air so I give my credit card four days later it gets to my dock I go back there is half defrosted oh so I get on the intercom and Isis I've got some fresh fish down at the dock y'all come by and I'll give you enough for something I kept enough for
us to have of one meal and gave all the rest away what and my boys - Sam when you go to back to Alaska now we're you and Irene involved with the Jewish community here and down these lots there's a Jewish boy scout troop I was involved with that not all boys fell through son fell in the scouts once God I've still got a grandson that's working on the Eagle he's a special needs and it sees at least 25 but he's going to get Eagles down the next couple month I guess with my mother - and they forgot that's middle son hats three Eagles -
Eagle Scouts and wanted to be he was an Eagle Scout and scouting learned a lot from being at Boise on our he was a leader with the vaporous girls right and sort of us adviser to the boys boys group now in your lifetime you've lived through so many momentous occasions you know of course World War two a little bit later the Kennedy assassination a lot and remember exactly that afternoon tell me about I was but just got back to people from Indiana I was working at a zipper Factory and most of our employees was Hispanic and someone had gone to the parade and all of
a sudden I come in and this girl is crying and Helen she said they shot the president it's half I didn't find out on the radio I found out Schwimmer what are they employed well you and Irene have the three sons four grandsons two great granddaughters right what advice does great-grandpa have for the next generation in this country you can start in zero which I did right and you could go all the way four to seven figures yeah yeah that's great we did a great job today thanks for doing this I could tell you some fish stories get one fish story I used to go
to Texas no my three times a week and cut back to two because the thought was going with change the days and became a manager the manager of the grill on the alley yeah anyone you ever eaten there yeah so you was a head chef now I use the manager so you have to get up at 3:30 in the morning to go fishing well we leave at 4:45 yeah