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hi today is Tuesday March 1st 2016 and I'm John Vermont and electric looseness working the camera I'm very happy to be interviewing you today sandy and I'm still at Sandy Blackmun and so tell us about when and why your family originally immigrated to South Africa what can you tell us about their lives and their early unity so my dad came from Lithuania he was a kid his father came before him and his father came just on his own to get some money to traveling with family out one at a time and the first person he brought up with my dad and my dad was 14
years old and then he had fallen in love with a good of school and just before the war brother literally the last civility leave Lithuania he got her out of the country and he brought it so he wasted she he saved her I purchased it it was the entire family thing so tell us about your own life growing up in South Africa a family of schooling workers particularly memorable well I was really pleased I had an amazing life in South Africa and my parents were incredibly loving they adored me and if you think about it I was really the first child that came out of
a sort of Holocaust background and so I was seen as the beginning I was quite often they left me very very much so I grew up in a Excel Accord Orange Grove and winter orange grove primary school and then weaved to wear with the girls high school and that was in Johannesburg and that was it so I had good schooling I had great friends and had close friends that he lived as my neighbors I just remember having a very carefree and at the same time kid for childhood and did you go to university ideas up dirt I certainly did I want University and I studied
psychology so I thought it'd be a Bachelor of Arts that was funded by an honors degree which was followed by a master's degree and then finally a PhD in psychology it's of interesting anybody read that PhD within the use of both sides of the brain and how we use both sides of the brain okay so when and where were your children born so that children were born in Janice burg as well in a suburb which was called Glynn hazel we know let me think the first time is actually born and not Indian house or she was born in kind of helper our area and and
then my son was born in glitter so how are why did you make a decision to leave South Africa and how old were your children laugh it up well I decided to do South Africa because at that time it was round clusters of 90 ninety-eight we came to America in 1900 the decision-making took place around 1996 1997 and the crime rate in Janice Vick was really high so the power is really best in South Africa and I've been an I decided and I decided that when didn't one wait around for something bad to happen and in fact my son Gary had already come to the
United States several years ahead of us so it was an easy move in the sense that we knew we were coming to birth death Gary was already living in Dallas we had further to do year after year at least once a year sometimes twice a year and so it was almost like coming back to a second home a place that we already and what was your family's reaction to your decision and what does the seem like when you actually lived so the family's reaction I have a really small family because my mom and my dad and aunt my dead sister and me and interestingly enough
my aunt's daughter had already gone to Davis as well Barbara liver so the family and where he decided to go live and I decided that we could not go without our debt they were 79 almost 80 years old and we decided to take them with us but interestingly not just before we were while we were preparing and thinking about leaving and my mom when the green card lottery so what they really means is that her and my dad could come to the United States of America as amigo so they came with us and so once again it was it was easy because I really wasn't
leaving as you said you were lucky to have a parent here and son and marry Sandhya and in what we were other helpful when you first arrived and however how do you find the community was and welcoming you as a new immigrant well as I said also Gabi being in a first make things really so much he helped us do all the things that you otherwise have to do and how to do and he prepared the way for us and that was great and then we slowly began to make some friends we wanted to make American friends as well as South African friends and we
managed to do that in that food suka I did when I arrived I did find that I was pretty busy I had a practice when I was working with leaders organizational leaders and that caused me to have to travel a great deal I've got a different city use of Jannard States in fact different places around the globe and I'm saying that because there was a period of time when we arrived and I was so busy that I really didn't have enough time to connect with people better we've managed to do that we have some cooler fridge and some small very good tell us more about
what kind of work you've done since you've been here so since I've been young I started off as I said a moment ago I worked in leadership development and what that meant was working with CEOs and senior members of the organization in helping them to bring the employees on board to be creative to be involved to be committed to and I never left a particular program I wrote a book called who's in the driver's seat and don't inspect got me and work everything around pretty much the countries around the globe you've been then with my mum and dad and past i infect towards towards the
end of the day my dad has severe hygienic heart failure and my mom had Alzheimer's and towards the end of their lives I cannot gentleman much and so I was here pretty much the lot and I kind of fit back from the work situation they were fantastic to me and I was really so blessed to be able to be with them and all the way through to the end of the and ask and take care of them hopefully in the way that they declared at me and then when I passed I asked myself what do I really want to do what I want to do
with the rest of my life yeah and looking back on my career and I realized that the work I love doing the most is working with children and with family particularly children learning their behavior and mood challenge and that's what I do right now I helped me become there and I have them to other companies challenges without drugs wonderful tell us about your introduction to the Dallas Jewish community how does that compare to your experience in South Africa and harun involve did you get in congregations some it's again pretty much food airing that we got involved with the survive show and then I lock is
an amazing man wonderful Reba and very different force to the way we were used to doing things in some ways similar to other ways we're we are very very Jewish we very very proud on being Jewish we are not very religious put it that way and you know we're always celebrating the holidays but we don't and how important was Israel to you growing up in South Africa and is a thought that important to you today another question because Israel was always immensely important in my house and it was a topic of discussion with my mom and my dad they were just so proud of our
Israel and and it was something that we felt very very strongly about about the homeland of course we lead to visit many times and now I am a brother who has lived in Israel he lives in Israel now for I'm thinking about 46 years he lives in Haifa and so yes it's not a very strong part of my identity okay and do you still have family in South Africa it's close family and I have my dad's I like that sister stormy do you miss anything about your life in South Africa and had me returned to visit and how do you feel when you go back
to visit you know I don't miss South Africa at all not not in the least I do miss people I miss my very close friends I must have lives kids there but other than that no I didn't have to go back to sundar because and do you think Davis have been a good choice for you and how do you feel about custody totally like this and that Dennis very because of the contrast between South Africa and their terrible crime and the sort of fear that we went to bed with and we went through the day with we literally were fearful all the time and so
when you think about Dennis you just think about how friendly everyone is and how clean everything is and how organized I just am si and I feel really pleased to be a dentist I know perhaps for some people not the most exciting city of the world but it's not 30 and I love it and do you are you a US citizen yes and do you consider yourself an American and and what does it mean to you sure I do consider myself an American you know I do a lot of public speaking and of course when I stand up and people hear my accent I play
with it a little bit for the audience in the beginning so I asked for it so if you think I come from eventually they will cover it South Africa and I tell them well guess what that makes me I'm a I'm a American citizen but from South Africa so I'm an African American and massive are you happy to be very proud to be an American tell us about your children you know children you haven't told us anything about the family so yeah it's a it's a difficult topic for me but somehow think that if anyone's ever gonna watch this and I'll make sure my friend
children do and happily are yeah for what my parents were here for breakfast excellent so I got them to know that I had a daughter and a nice magnificent beautiful child inside and outside and she just died suddenly she one day she was there and the next day she was gone from meningitis and it was before we can great there's a heart in my heart it always will be but I think it's probably important and then was Cheryl and who and I would particularly class and Gary is here your son Gary and how many children does he hear and Gary has two boys he's just
a boy just handed by a few weeks ago and they live literally three minutes away from us we just was so so wonderful I'm so lucky because I know that another example and his family I'm not around the corner we have kids his daughters in South Africa and we did we do a lot of crap all right Thank You sandy and this is anything else not that thank you very much and show you so much thanks for doing this okay so for those of you who are watching there and okay so what did your family tree I just remembered that I forgot to tell you
the names of my mother dead so my mom was illa and my dad was Eli and the last name was Thurmond is she and my mom was originally in a crystal K R is tal and my dad was alive scientific but when they came to South Africa the name was reduced to cement is a statistic so in case you want to do that we have some information for you thank you and my dad in fact did have another brother and his name was Sydney so when he hear his mom and my grandfather collected enough money they brought my auntie henna art and brother court are
possibly an elephant we became one of the most famous neurologist in the United States