Sarah Yarrin
Sarah Yarrin, whose maiden name was Phillips, was born and raised in Tyler, Texas, the second of four daughters. Her father, Hyman Phillips, came from Poland as a young man, landing in Galveston, where a rabbi helped him find a room, and he sold newspapers before later serving as an Army cook based in San Antonio. Her mother came from Poland at about age 16 and learned English with the help of a tutor; her large family, the Rosh family, had settled in Tyler. Raised in the conservative synagogue, Sarah recalled a warm childhood in what was then the heart of East Texas, with Jewish families from surrounding small towns gathering for festivals. She graduated from Tyler High at 16, attended the University of Colorado, Tyler Junior College, and the University of Texas, and was active in Young Judea and campus service organizations.
Sarah met Marvin Yarrin through his sister, a sorority sister of hers, while visiting Dallas. Though she initially resisted, the two married in the temple in Tyler and moved to Dallas in November 1946. They lived first in a furnished apartment off Cole Avenue, then bought a series of homes near Love Field, on Walnut Hill Lane, and in Preston Haven, later moving to a condominium and finally the home where she was interviewed. Within about five years they had three daughters, Ellen, Holly, and Jackie, all of whom went through religious school and later BBG. Marvin worked in business with his father, who had been transferred to Dallas from New York, and later became a real estate salesman and broker.
After the couple finished educating their daughters, Sarah returned to school at Texas Woman's University in Denton, earning a degree in early child development, having earlier studied political science with a onetime dream of becoming an attorney. Instead she joined Marvin in real estate, founding the Yarrin Group, and took over its operations when he suffered a heart attack in 1976. A defining chapter began in 1985 when the couple traveled to Israel with the temple choir; Sarah joined the choir, and under Rabbi Sheldon Zimmerman she and Marvin took part in the original Hebrew and Torah study classes. After retiring in 1987 and after Marvin's death in 1996, Temple Emanu-El became a true community and second home for her. A woman of deep faith, she treasured family above all and believed in looking forward while never forgetting the past.
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and i am interviewing sarah herron i am karen klinger for the dallas years historical society and sarah has kindly agreed to talk to us about whatever she remembers about the years she's listened out how did he live in dallas there moved to dallas in 1946 ah that qualifies you for one of these interviews i think um gosh yeah so let's see well tell me what brought you to dallas very useful and i'm happy that i remember before i begin i wanted to say thank you very much and thank you to the historical from danny for calling and choosing me i was very very well you
were you called i will tell you you were on a long list and i chose you thank you thank you i want to know what all right i will tell you who brought me to dallas a wonderful young man that i marry is living in dallas i was born and raised in tyler texas oh my goodness and he used to say he got the last of the tyler rosen that's what he said to my face and so we were married in the temple in tyler and moved to dallas right away right away uh-huh november of 46 wow and i've lived here all my life now
do you still have any family and pilots cousin cousins but i come from a large family but a year after i left my parents moved to san antonio so they've been there now of course my i've lost both my parents but my sisters and so forth the family's been there in san antonio for just the same time so we've sort of considered that home but never forgot tyler yes well i would love to hear before we start talking about dallas just what it was like growing up in a small town like um tyler as a jewish girl in texas you know in the 30s and
40s what was that like first of all i love tyler it was a small town but i didn't think of it as being a small town i was brought up in the conservative synagogue my parents did not let me date non-jewish boys so in high school i was not allowed to date kids in my class there was one other jewish girl in my class and there were no boys but we belong to the young judea and we would get together and with and it was so much fun to come into and there was convention and we would go out with boys a year two or
three older and we never i never felt deprived the only thing i can remember is not having a date to my senior class because there were no jewish boys in the class and my parents said that's just the way it is and when i graduated from high school i was 16. so but we had a wonderful time i don't bbyo being active back in 40 in the 40s 30. it actually would be in the 30s yeah and i don't recall bbyo we had so much fun well that comes out of the conservative movement if i remember right right zionist uh you know youth group and also let me ask you this actually if you don't mind um as being part of young judea was zionism part of that was it an overt explicit uh message for you as a child oh yes i was always brought up with a very strong religious background not that my parents kept kosher anything like that but we were i was confirmed girls were not buttons even and certainly not in
the senate we were without a rabbi it was time for me to get married and we were married in the temple in thailand rabbi whistle married us in tyler texas so he was from tyler yes but not associated with your synagogue yeah and that was unusual in other words uh were there usually rabbis for a synagogue in italico yes okay and it was a small town but they still had conservatives yeah and the reformed temple you have to realize tyler at that time was the heart of east texas and we killed gore glade all the little towns around us came to and prayed with us
to pardon all the festivals so even if the uh jewish kids didn't live in tyler you met them from all around the area yes yes and we had such a good time and it was i never felt deprived you never felt like there weren't enough boys to today or not enough activity because first of all you met kids at the conventions but you kept it going yeah and there were a lot of young jewish kids in i mean i'm sure there are some people studying dallas jewish history who will want to know this um what uh is there anybody that you remember from those days
from when you were a high school student you know coming to other high school students from dallas um you know something anybody stick in their minds yes there was a young woman siegel i don't remember her first name whether it was frida siegel and there was a benson boy who i understand went to hollywood and not robbie oh no no no is it women it's a vincent i don't think robert is too young for that i think but someone a vincent and they went to hollywood and the name has come up since they were some of them kids who made it yeah interesting huh so
there wasn't like any good friend in dallas or a boyfriend or anything that really sticks in your mind no not at that time yeah okay um i had a sister living here shortly after that now growing up joe a big i have a big sister i have a sister two years older and what's her name fanny and my maiden name was phillips okay and well it used to be phil apollo okay it's been shortened anyway but my oldest sister is fannie phillips leon and she married louis leon who grew up and sat down ah okay so uh and they live in houston uh-huh as a
matter of fact i mailed them the historical the tape that was made from the meeting and i mailed it to them because i knew louis would love to see some of the old-timers oh yeah what's happened and so forth and to reminisce well so okay let's see um and just out of curiosity where where were your when you did come to dallas during those years where would you guys go to the home hospitality everything was home hospitality okay so you would stay with the family we stayed with families and where were the conventions held hmm that probably didn't make a huge impact it did not
it didn't stay with you okay it was just i remember it was fun and and when my own children went through bbg yeah three daughters uh-huh went through bbg i thought to myself isn't it great i had young judea uh-huh they had i'm wondering what will be for the next generation right right and i think it's wonderful you know see and even though i had a conservative background marvin uh and his family belonged to temple rainbow in south dallas mary moved here it was a foregone conclusion yeah well i definitely want to know about your first impressions on that i thought what i would do
though is try to good just fill in i'm trying to like do a chronological right don't let me forget to ask you those questions because i want to get back um let's see you got to dallas in 1946 right um do you know how your family got to tyler in other words where did they immigrate from or come from or yes my both came from poland my father landed in galveston oh he is and rabbi comb got him a room in galvin in galveston and he sold newspapers do you have any idea what year it was when he landed or when he got out there
do not i can trace back but right after he was promised yeah they were having a lot of trouble in poland and my grandmother sent him to the united states he was in short pants and sent him out by himself wow did he have siblings who stayed in poland no oh okay he was the three boys there were three two brothers okay one went to mexico city one went to new york and daddy stayed in texas and would you mind saying your name no not at all hyman phillips was my father jack villas is my uncle and a abraham phillips they called him a z
uh-huh he claimed he knew everything uh yes i do well it's cousin's cousin and on the cruise we were on just recently whenever i see someone or meet someone from mexico i always inquire about the family yeah are they still in mexico city then uh a lot of them had died they were very prominent fans the uncle came at a very opportune time and he and so they have a jewish community center there that was built from poker game winnings on sunday night speaking of fortunate and they made up the difference really the family right so it's a good story uh-huh what about your mom
where did she come from mother came from poland what city she is from a large family the roosh family how do you spell that r-o-s-t-h okay from tyler uh-huh and do you know what the city was in poland where she came from or daddy was from savage okay and my mother was from bialyst okay ah so mother came over when she was like 16 years old and had a tutor to help her with english english now that were they did they both speak english when they got here oh yes oh yes and they spoke polish when they didn't want the kids to know what they
were talking i assume so uh anyway and then mother had a sister mrs taylor everybody called her mrs taylor not aunt taylor our only first name in yiddish it was brinking okay now i think translated that would be perfect yeah okay but everybody called her she made pickles that she was famous for her gallon jugs of miss taylor's homemade pickles and where did she grow up also tyler um no miss taylor mother's sister yes grew up in poland oh and came to tyler oh okay family came to tyler now why i don't know they were but the family name was roosh large family and they
there were seven brothers and they kind of prospered yeah i bring they all come to tyler yes wow and i bring that up because here was a family not educated not with any uh perks in any way yeah truly and the next generation it's full of doctors and lawyers and engineers and architects and in other words the parents didn't have the opportunity but every one of those kids well can you very much made sure that they got her education right so it really was anyway so someone came to miss taylor mother's older sister said there's a young jewish boy in a boarding house here i
want you to meet him uh-huh i think it would be right and tyler and tyler uh-huh and sure enough now this was already after world war one because my father who was doing all kinds of odd jobs to get along um heard if you volunteer for the farming they give you three square meals a day and it's not gonna be a bad and a place to sleep so he went and lied about his age and he was really only he was a few years too young but he said he was older and they took him and then he said and i'm a really good cook
yeah he figured if he could cook he'd have plenty to eat this was a hungry young man yeah and sure enough he was a cook huh here in the states or did he go to europe no he stayed in the stuff and then when he got out so then he began yeah now where was he stationed do you have any idea san antonio oh okay fourth year we weren't such a mobile society so his contacts were around texas sure and that's where he's absolute so we met mother then they got married and raised you and your sister and two other sisters four girls okay and
where are you in the birth order i'm second okay fanny myself and what are the names of the younger marilyn now your parents moved to san antonio that's what you're saying and when was that 47 okay so that was one year after i was married my family made that change right okay so um the main people then that would be less than tyler would be your mother's siblings kids and grandkids kind of thing okay used to be kids grew up they all went to college couldn't wait to leave from what i'm hearing all of a sudden younger people are moving back to tyler which is
great well let's see um so you let's go back to you you when did you graduate from high school when i was 16 and when do we get to know what you're that one oh sure 43 okay so what did you do after you graduated and i graduated from i loved to study i was a good student first of all there wasn't a lot of guys to date yeah i had plenty of time anyway i love to study and i was very tired of them and i guess i haven't changed that much no i liked organization work i was a joiner and i was involved
growing up in lots of things he's my father i can remember him now he says do you have to lock the building everything all right you get home you know because they were meeting schools in high school there were meetings and things to do yeah anyway and what high school did you go to tyler high oh okay was it the only one at that time okay yes and anyway and then i moved to then i went to college went to the university of colorado for the first year and you have to realize times were different at that time you didn't i'll fly home for the
weekend oh yeah fairs were expensive oh yeah and my family couldn't really afford for me to gee i feel like i'll come home this weekend so when you left when i left i left and i knew that i could come home christmas vacation and i was 16 middle child homesick as poopy at the university of colorado at the university boulder where you sure picked the prettiest playing for the beautiful beauty and you know when i think back it was really if i hadn't been home sick i would never have yeah to change school uh-huh it wasn't now i did how long were you there happy
here when the semester was over i was ready to come home and i did they have any jewish sororities or anything oh yes and uh as a matter of fact ended up living in the house moved into the house right away surrounded by all those and we had and they lived in denver and go home with them when i look back on it and having raised three daughters i said you know you really had such an ideal college life i cannot understand so anyway you know i have to interject one thing i was a senior in high school back when i was in high school
during the war my four years and i always loved speech speaking and so forth we wrote a declarat a like a speech we called them an oration on war bonds and selling war bonds for class or something anyway it ended up where i got to travel selling at war bonds selling war bonds delivering this 10-minute and as it turned out this oration was a letter from my grandmother in poland and it was her historical documentation of the nazis moving into love and as she ran with her silver candles in one hand and with a few other possessions just ahead of the nazis and the letters
right so anyway you still have those no that would belong to my actually was my family yeah sure your mom had them yeah yeah the mother had them right so but i was so impressed with all this and i wrote my own narration and i ended up and i would get on these little planes and fly all over texas and it was a natural experience and who were you addressing with your child they would have city-wide the rotaries different civic organizations would have bond rallies to sell war bonds during world war two so that was part of my life just wondering was the fact that
you were and the fact that the nazis were persecuting jews in particular was that at all parties never part of it i was just tied up with school well i've been to school yeah and from their point of view even that one whether your audience or you nothing they didn't type yeah right that i knew of yeah sure but anyway it was thinking back over it sometimes i think back over some highlights yeah i think you know that was really right right i would think so what an opportunity it really was right and to do good i mean to do something that made such a
difference right you know this was something women you know and i was all at the time of 14. oh yeah absolutely a girl very young anyway but to get back to college so i finished that half a year came back to thailand now that was 1944 44. enrolled tyler junior college my home and stayed there had a year and a half to do graduated from there and like i said i was a strong student this is what i liked and then i went to the university yes okay and then i was ready already to go leave home and get away from home right and so many of so that was or 45 45.
okay so many of my friends that i still have today yeah um you're right right jackie jackie craver jackie prager jessie brudeau she was jackie no jackie that's right she was jackie and i were roommates in the surrounding house together yeah she was present sorry and but before that when i first went down there i lived in miss lee's boarding house a jewish boarding house on rio grande and had a roommate who has stayed a lifelong friend what's her name leah she was leah setzer from jacksonville florida and i her husband of 50 years is milton levitt and when he first met her she was
going with somebody else i said to her at the time milton is so nice leah up the two and dropped the first oh really and she ended up with milton and we laughed about it all the time good choices all right anyway i guess it worked out it worked out beautifully with six children later in 50 years anyway and then so many and i loved it at the university of texas yes what's wordy where you were and the summer before am i rattling too long no no okay summer before i was just about to become a senior my senior year and i had already been
voted into orange jackets a lot of yeah service service organizations on campus yes and anything else that sticks in your mind yeah i was if i they called them by theta capital i think from junior college phi beta kappa um anyway from my junior college but anyway i had a lot of things going at the university of texas and i met marvin down there no he was working in dallas and my big sister in sorority lived in dallas his sister ducky yaron who became ducky fernberg this was his sister his sister i came to dallas that summer to visit my sister who was living here
danny thought saleem and i called ducky and marvin and anyway his father was recovering from a heart attack and what was his death jackie aaron so i spoke to him a few minutes and said have ducky call me when she gets it that night jack said to martin i spoke to a friend of your sisters today who had the nicest voice on the telephone you ought to take her out i wouldn't be caught dead all of five years older than i i wouldn't be caught dead with my sister's friend right and so he said my father wanted to be blew up and he had just
had the heart attack and says all right don't get in the dander if it will calm you down i'll take her out so he called and we went to a movie and he said on one condition that ducky and her fiance go along so he wouldn't have to spend the whole evening with the dog so they came and picked me up we went to the movies then they lived in north dallas and my sister still lived in southampton so instead of rocking the downtown majestic theater which is near south dallas he proceeded to take the other cup his sister and then to north dallas first
and then to take me home to go get some to visit himself and at that time he said you know i'm going to end up marrying him he did the first day i looked at him i said i wouldn't marry you if you were the last man on earth he says you'll see so he didn't behave himself on that first date very well well i knew the i knew what it took to get him to get out of the way right i figured this conceited person bad sign i'm just gonna say i didn't have to do this yeah so anyway uh as it turned out
so when i got back to school every night tell me where you went on that first date do you remember to the majestic theater the majestic theater but i don't remember the name of the movie okay you're allowed but anyway so then and then i stayed all week and saw him every night and then on friday i went home back to tyler and by friday night he had a respection at the blackstone hotel in thailand tyler to drive in and finally when i came home from russia and young kepper your senior year my senior year i quit you did and i i quit school and
we were married that movie did you ever go back in sentence i certainly did 30 years later good for you i decided that's it no there was no ut here well right i decided that was a business in my life oh you were so close and but at that point when you changed schools yeah you have to do the last 60 hours so where did you do them i'll tell you what i did i went up we i waited till we were through educating all three of our girls and they were all for real then i went back to school to denton north texas new
york twu and there was a bus called enterprises something or other and i'd set my little alarm for five o'clock get on the bus and go to denton every day three days a week i arranged all my classes and in two years i had my degree i didn't know i ended up doing my degree in early child development before that i had done political science which i loved government and i really a secret wish was to be an eternal and in those days women weren't attorneys oh it was illegal uh so did you know that i never got my dream all right but when i
and then i decided it was a little late to start being an attorney at that point of my life so i decided to do this early child development which i did and as i graduated there professor asked me would i be willing to stay on and start to work the child care facility there and i said let me let you know and when i came home that day marvin said you know i've been thinking about something how would you like to go into business together be a partner and he had his real estate broker's license but but he was a salesman he had changed careers
and he was ready to take his brokers he said let's open our own business i said he got me yeah that was much preferable i wouldn't even give it a bit i wouldn't give it a thought when was that what year was that was 19 and with that i immediately found out i could go to richland and get some secretarial skills to run an office i didn't know how to type shorthand anyway then i found out there was real estate courses at hillcrest at night and i could get a salesman's license by going at night there so i did that all sort of simultaneously and
so you had a new career i started a new career and i was a life bloomer and love to work so then pretty soon everything fell into place we opened an office and three years late see i'm all let me back up to something i'm a have a very deep religious feeling and i feel whatever i do god is my and guides my sense little did i know this was 73 74 by the time i got all this under the belt that in 76 marvin would have a severe heart attack by that time we already had our office going yeah i had my training already
i could take over and run that off while he recovered and that became that was like a new chapter in my life all our girls were married no one was at home and i began you became a real partner real partner yeah i would take the work from the day into a briefcase take it to the hospital go over it with him in the evening repack the briefcase with the notes see him early in the morning then go open the office but to get back to it so i really got all my training and by that time i didn't as soon as one year was
up i got my brokers uh-huh sure and um i loved the years we worked and then when we were retired um why did you retire when you're 87 marvin said his health is really not good and he said you know i don't know how much time i have left but i'm going to take some time to smell the blood smart man and so i said he said and i know you love to work i know you love the office but i really i've had it and i said well you know i love to work but we built this thing together so now we'll play together
and we packed it in then there again the hand of god intervenes this was 87 in 85 rabbi zimmerman came to them and this man had such an influence on our lives i can't tell you and i'll always be grateful to him your time is sheldon zimmerman the rabbi at templing anybody exactly clarify we were twice three times no more than that six times a year temple goers by the time you count the york sides yeah parents and rosh hashanah that was when we went to friday night services we kept talking about going to israel but we never made it one year we were booked
marvin had a heart attack another year there was a young kipp of war and they canceled so back in 85 this dovetails with zimmerman coming he came in july in the spring of 85 we came home for lunch our office was five minutes from our house we would forward our calls to the house what was the name of your business the yarn group i named it the name of the baby the urine group the group was marvin and i when they first started anyway so then that day at lunch the window the mail came looked through it and the choir was going to israel on
a trip and said there are spaces available if anyone would like to go in the congregation mark and i looked at each other and i said you know something let's go we've talked about going to israel let's go for it this must have been shelley's first trip with the company he oh he was not here yet oh okay it was simon and ben organized a train and there was a week 10 john rosenthal he's always been our tour director and he organized the trip and he and his wife jamie became good friends anyway and then we or um then they offered a trip one week
in israel one week in italy so it was to be a two-week trip if you chose for opted for both weeks so we did and marvin was loved to videotape and whatever the choir did all the concerts he videos and we were with the choir and we loved that week and we loved it when we got home the choir called me someone's in the choir and said sarah why don't you join with a liar you you have you can carry a tune you have a nice voice and i think you really enjoy it so you and martin seem to fit right in so i said
let me let you know i said marvin what do you think of mine now this is a commitment by sam and john means every tuesday night and we'll go to services but we don't have to go every week whatever they want to do whatever you want and he said i think it'd be great so i joined the choir this was fall of 85 rabbi zimmerman came in july of 85. when rabbi zimmerman came he started her tour and when he first came the congregation said saturday is golf today you'll never get anybody to your class he said okay i have to try it one way and the rest is history marvin and i were in the original hebrew tour with my dad your dad and you know how i sit i used to pull another chair around and morgan and i sat on the end right there and whereas i read so much now i'm the reader marvin was the thinker and the talker he had more input and discussion remember he was the one who was very
fast and fought very fast very verbal anyway then back in 87 when we retired we had more time to really become involved at temple and it changed the direction of our lives marvin died in 96 the last since we retired the last seven eight of his life we're so full enriched and it just made such a difference of course i love this and it's made such a difference for me it was like a second home and when i was left alone the green temple felt like a real community it's a real supportive community between choir family uh-huh you're still in the oh yes temple family
and then of course i hadn't even touched on my own children well i know because we skipped i know big old chunks of this big chunk of my children okay but thank god now tell me now about your involvement temple um in those last seven eight years of marvin's life but before that anything that my children were involved in marketing and does that go to sunday oh yes oh yes we had we would take them to south dallas before the new temple we visit for religious schools and then when was the new temple bill do you remember what year that person goes it's probably easy
to find so yes no i really don't remember the year okay and i should remember it simple manual yes 1957 okay 57. it was right when i started preschool i think oh anyway and then once we were here and through the years we've been rune mothers marvin used to love to conduct seders for the children anything to do when the children were confirmed and who be in charge of the some of the best you know festivities and all this and anything to do with the children was always priority so you worked with ray israel always very closely yes yes yes yes ray israel and everybody else you really working with with the kids and stuff no not really him really just right yeah he was in charge for
a decade of course and then anyway then once the children were grown of course right by clients very close now during the years i feel very badly i never really got to know rabbi we were working we didn't we were still four five six times a year temple goals not right and then after i joined the whereas i would go to services i would never miss choir practice pretty soon every friday night we're in tempe now we never miss services yeah and that's the way it's been uh-huh my friends know not to invite us to a dinner party on friday night we're not gonna die
if my children are having something and friday night is involved with the children yes that's the priority otherwise well okay so let me go back again because i know i was gonna mess up your tapes i'm sorry no that's all right there's so many details i don't know where to begin reminisce um let's see uh so when you first let's go back to when you and marvin got married what year did you get married did you just 40 40. okay ellen was born in december of 47. that was her first oldest daughter 13 months later okay all right ellen holly was born 21 months late okay jackie was born two and a half years away okay so within five years you had all your kids all my kids you had three children three children three daughters and your first one was born in life 47 and it must have been december of 47 and then the next one was like 49 49 okay 52 okay she was in my confirmation class i bet soon okay so we know that sarah's youngest daughter was confirmed in 1968 let's just wrap it up all right so okay jackie
wow um okay so where did you all move when you first got to dallas where did you live apartments were at a premium i couldn't find the place to live right after the war right my uncle sam roosh and tyler owned apartment buildings here in dallas and i knew he and he owned some furnished apartments off of coal avenue and i called him and said is there a prayer and there were rent controls we had a one-bedroom furnished apartment for 47 feet off of coal with it right off um there was marvin loved chinese food and there was a little chinese grocery jungles nearby there
was this an ethnically diverse kind of neighborhood yeah like yes like who did you live around people from were there other jewish families living around there at all not that i knew yeah but we didn't stay there too long because of course a few months later i got pregnant right said you really ought to get a house and you could buy a house with nothing down on the gi bill of rights so we bought our first house on kenwell street which is where near love field off of mockingbird lane up is me near lemon avenue and we bought two bedroom one bath house nothing down
and moved in so i really never got to know apartments yes but we didn't know our house neighbors and at the time ducky and bob bought a house two doors down and at the time marvin's parents sold their house in university park and bought behind us starling circle wow so all the yards now i know you told me if this is a repeat just tell me you know because we don't need to repeat it for the tape but did you say that marvin's family came to dallas but they went they were in tyler weren't they no they were in new york oh okay his father
worked for a large company that transferred him to dallas and after they got here and loved dallas so much he severed ties with the big company okay and openly saying this i said and marvin went in business with him oh okay very good so marvin was actually in business with his own dad right and then as his dad came very young in those days they treated heart attacks you lay in bed and wait to die you don't even walk you don't do anything and this bear of a man who's never had a sick day road went out like that at 47. and then so he laid there until 54.
he was 54. so such a sad thing to be looked back anyway and um you know so we lived on starling circle i mean on uh ken wells right there was a artist a black man billy the kid who did art deco we bought our house a few times after the house changed hands he was written up on high profile and i took the children by the yard was covered with his art deco work looked like the biggest junk shop you ever saw in your life my my first house oh really he painted the house no he didn't paint the house he stuck everything in the heart i
don't know what the inside looks like never rang the doorbell and anyway we stayed there three years and then we bought a house on walnut hill lane there was a larger next to preston hollow school kids come out yeah anyway we stayed there for three and a half and then decided to move and we moved to preston haven which is it's right before the last street before preston for a shopping center which at that time there was no preston force oh there was no shopping center huh and we bought a lot and built a house and for the what was going to take two or
three months became nine months we rented a place in the apartments off northwest highway by temple a two-bedroom apartment put bunk beds in the second bedroom and that was the house near preston forest yes and what was the name of that president and then after the children all left marvin was dying get out i think his new york roots came through i had never left him apart and he had always lifted him apart sir so he said we have no children living at home now let's move to a condominium so we did and with the understanding if i didn't like it we would move back
to a house so we stayed in the condominium six years that's a long time we then came to this house that we're in so where was the condominium down the street on right away decided and as it turned out we bought that condominium from the owner and he had a new young bride and they had taken two two-bedroom two-bath apartments and made them into one so it was really nice nice size everything the only problem was i never could adjust to walking in the front door and smelling the bacon plus assigned parking and guests have no place to park and you've always been a very
social person right right and big family and when you have to tell people didn't have a place to talk yeah i was really not pleased yeah once you got inside the condominium everything was fine until you got there yeah so anyway so here we are really it sounds like even though you didn't grow up in a coaster home there were still things that you didn't eat like you didn't eat pork and were there other things you don't eat and didn't eat like way out shellfish growing up who didn't but after i was married you did you but then i'll tell you we ain't less of
it yeah the last few years yeah but we still so i guess i'm wondering where did your aversion to the smell of bacon come from it's just a smell ah interesting okay so it wasn't any religion no oh my smell you