Sylvia Greenberg
Sylvia's grandparents came from Poland and, rather than remaining in New York, traveled directly to Denver, Colorado. During the Depression, the family followed the Texas oil fields, moving from town to town, including Borger, ARP near Tyler, and eventually settling in West Texas. Her mother Betty, only seventeen at the time, married Sylvia's father after a whirlwind courtship in New York during a family wedding, and he embraced Texas life with cowboy boots, a hat, and a big cigar. Sylvia was a bright child who learned to read early, skipped grades, and grew up around horses and the oil town communities of West Texas, ultimately graduating high school at sixteen in Odessa.
Sylvia studied music, playing violin and flute, and attended college in Colorado for a year before transferring to the University of Oklahoma, where she graduated. A Dallas Independent School District music teacher recruited her, bringing her to Dallas to teach in the public schools. There she took up bridge and, through a game across the street from a neighbor, met Marvin Greenberg and his warm parents, Charlie and Sarah Greenberg. The couple married about three months later in October and remained married for more than fifty years. After Marvin served briefly in the army, they returned to Dallas to raise their family.
Sylvia and Marvin raised three children, Marla, Steven, and Barry, all of whom graduated from Hillcrest High School and the University of Texas. Marvin, a pharmacist, owned drugstores including one near Northwest Highway and Preston Road, and Sylvia became his bookkeeper. The family belonged to Congregation Shearith Israel, where Sylvia was active in sisterhood, and she watched both Dallas and its Jewish community grow tremendously over the decades. Later in life she took art lessons at the JCC, enjoyed painting, swam in the warm water pool, and remained devoted to the symphony, museums, bridge, her children, six grandchildren, and great-grandchildren.
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today is February 20th 2017 my name is Joe Reinbold and I'm interviewing Sylvia Greenberg Sylvia tell me a little bit about your family your parents or grandparents what you know about them and where were they born and when do they move to Dallas okay my parents met while they were briefly in New York my grandparents came from Poland and when they come to America instead of staying in New York they went straight to Denver Colorado so my grandmother had a younger brother who did stay in New York so they lived in Denver and I think he was a shoemaker peach Mirman and the recession came
along the oppression came along and one of them unfit support brothers the older one had a car he drove south until you found forged Texas and in bargain Texas that all fields were pumping and he said the workmen they're having money to buy our goods so they all packed on his car I understand and they moved to Berger well coming from Denver with a Jewish kosher home after being run out of Poland this was quite a letdown for my mother he was 17 she had a younger brother and a younger sister so meanwhile they learned to live in border for a while and they got
invited to the younger brother that left in New York they got back to his wedding in New York City so evidently I'm gonna pack my mother Betty and her sister and brother and the Train and they all went to New York for this way and while there she met daddy he was my mother was sure than I had my fat [ __ ] she was shorter than me seemed that this man he was like factor to a perfect easy love immediately hmm and after three weeks they got married in New York hmm so big a while since she was only 17 and too young to leave her
mother he gets on the train with the mother and the grandparents in the brother and sister and all come to Texas so the spy for the two gentlemen discovered heaven when he got to Texas soon as he could epoch boots he had my hat he always smoked a big cigar he had this terrible Russian accent and he left it here and they were in border again you know they live we have been aforetime ago I think what happened this as the oilfields peter out they would go to the new one so then they went on to must have gone off to East Texas by then
and settle in a town called our Texas ARP ARP is like a suburb of Tyler okay and they have a lot of the rose gardens there who Tyler roses come from so evidently I'll explore and Henderson Texas which is where the hospital must but we had lived in the part and my mother's little sister was only seven years older than me and so she was like my playmate of time until I was five maybe past five the entire family again picked up by this air father grandmother everybody moved to money in Texas which is in West Texas 30 miles west of Odessa they lived there
I don't know I think I started elementary school there I picked out a first impression personally yes he might have had behavior it's I guess my Nessie no play with me taught me to read and write and do all that stuff they could have kindergarten there it's straight at first grade but you didn't teach me how to behave exactly Hey and I would cry oh recess I would I guess I would eat my lunch over recess and then months that came out in heavy lunch and so after two weeks that teacher says please take her home let her come when she's six this was a
five and a half and then between I guess I learned enough cuz I went on to first grade again and that skipped a third and then the Texas schools at the time he had 11 grades let's see this after I graduated at 15 I graduated 16 besides the page you skip they skip everybody and they did that because the rest of the country was 12 rates in Texas was on the 11th grades and it was still in front of state so they need the workers for the farm send them oh whatever so that's how we ended up back in Odessa then from Odessa I went
to college but first farm Tessa I will tell one more thing about me cuz I told you my dad left Texas and horses okay so he bought me a horse which we kept the backyard and I really hated that horse I just gonna like it or no yeah but he liked it mm-hmm they were active and what was it they call the Sheriff's Posse which is a charity toughest thing they grab the horse isn't afraid no big money fright ever and so I did have that horse and then my daddy said I want you to be a violinist so what you got a vowel in
and I went down the block to the violin teacher whom I think I paid more attention to them I thought even and I ended up playing favela in little time and then I school I played the flute in the band and we have no counselors there and nobody told my parents I had to have other things besides English in music so I ended up come to college and spoke pro because I didn't have manage assignments I didn't know anything I still don't but the press the superintendent of school I still had that letter wrote to the somehow that here in Colorado my mother remembered we
had people still in Denver so if I wanted to go the family since I was 16 like that so he said that she was very talented than she had understand things so they couldn't even play hmm so I ended up majoring in music and stayed there a year then I transfer you Missy Oklahoma where I graduated and the music teacher of Dallas Independent Schools came in and interviewed and getting a job right away so since I graduated I got to Dallas okay so that's how I got why did you switch to University of Oklahoma that's much too old no okay the powdered a much sooner
I did good school I was a smart little girl but yeah okay it didn't work it worked at four mm-hmm I should have gone to University of Texas but again this famous music teacher didn't like University of Texas she wanted me to go to someplace else but my parents want to go with his family so I ended up it tell her about it within so anyway I'll tell you later okay so never I got to be honest and +20 start teaching public schools and I did have a boyfriend colleagues and one big learn to play bridge so I learned to play bridge in everybody's burning
house you couldn't leave the table as she had a substitute we're not constantly surprising it was graduate anyway I came to Dallas and I did note one couple and they batted me over to their house but played bridge so I get there they said the only person I could get for a fourth is mrs. Greenberg who lives across the street you might go a little bit there so we would walked across the street and play bridge with Sarah Greenberg and 11 o'clock when he got off of work he came home and that's my medicine in this kitchen oh boy not very glamorous limits okay hey [ __ ] after the [ __ ] up and his mom and dad where it happens to be wonderful and I have to tell the story of when I left the house that very first day mm-hmm the very first evening of playing Chris he showed me to the door for Bobby well in fact it was freaky at my
car and Charlie his daddy says don't sue the city said what do you mean those oops we're building the sidewalks so close to your tissue so whoever who sees this and those Charlie Greenberg would know that I was him and he benefited one year I learned to cook from staring good my mother couldn't cook and where was the rest of your family at this time okay they're still like this they were all in Bethesda no I think the grandparents moved to a big town called wink Texas which is 30 miles north and they would go there like every Sunday on this all field road which
was a two-lane highway but no nothing around there and they got tired of driving so the age of 12 they taught me how to drive if there's nothing there's no cars in the program there's no there was nothing there and I've lived learn how to drive on the floor whatever young people like yeah so now they stay safe state they're a venture after my grandfather died the grandmother moved in with St my hand and by then she had married this guy at this guy was an uncle's favorite and they were in business they started off in the furniture business while they're still in East my
daddy could do anything with his hands I would come into Dallas and pick up Bible furniture he'd fix it up and stuff so they were furniture business the whole time and then right after the wars and she could he applied for a broadcasting license and started up a AM radio station so he had an application out through some broadcasters the Chicago paper so Roy Elster mm-hmm they huncle answered the ad he said he had two jobs offer he said though Destin was three cents an hour and more so he took that and that's how he met at sea and they were very very and I
keep saying how can I don't remember that much about independence of Israel but they were married in Israel's independence day in 1948 oh boy so evidently this take time wedding news I was 16 I didn't know there but did your parents ever move here no no no no no the parents I had here at Harbor Spears so it was a way and then my only brother was in college at the time and he was in college in El Paso so he just stayed on in college and was getting a master's degree Mitch nobody El Paso woman you look there till he passed away how long
after you guys met did you actually get married three months just three months later a bit in October but not till we got married apparently I understand 63rd nothing like a shotgun wedding had never last it would never last and look here you are you know how many years are you in there in 63 Oh two weeks ago that's on top and when you were here as a young married couple what kind of things did you get involved in in the community civic wise Jewish wise whatever you'd like to tell us well I think Marvin's parents belong to sheriff and a six months after we
got married he got wrecked in the army so we were gone for a little while and then when we came back I guess I was pregnant with Marlon I came back and he hadn't become the Dallas every weekend and kinko sometimes did you stay in Dallas because and the military they really didn't have obstetricians Davis says you're a doctor you're a pediatrician you're dumber talk whatever and the doctor told me he said I will let you know I'm Catholic and there's a choice of saving your life at the babies I saved the baby so I can't go crying you stay in Dallas though so then
turned out that you did get an early release so we got to stay in Dallas in your life okay that's how we got there in I guess we must not have wanted and we probably went to show with his parents because we didn't join anything till Marlowe's five knowing where I was five we joined shows to get best mesh for her Sunday school teach your best : or you know so so you might do the whole thing and then after Marla King Stephen three or four years later like that King Gary so the elements a good little share additional bit were you involved in any
organizations with you know I was its share a sisterhood sisterhood did everything and at the time we had one president as five or six vice president so he went through all the steps of vice president then I realized that they gave the president a free telephone because he was on call all the time and I was still working with Martin I thought I can't do that so we write had we were active at Sheriff and then and actually we joined a little shoe out of the White Rock area came in on the name of it but because we lived you know right past White Rock
Lake in our GI hams it wasn't Beth Israel wasn't that was further east was it beckons room oh okay that's for my husband's family anyway we we were then like why I came up I'm looking at this thing I said here they have been they have teachers who are just people like me that knows nothing you know and why don't we go to a professional Sunday school maybe she'll learn really she's taught me everything cuz we can have a show in Odessa for a long time that's why was well actually I went as he got very dangerous bill were you still teaching music or doing
music at that time no no we just had to stop for a couple of year I went the army that was the end of that and then we came back I had the little one and we didn't have time what was your husband doing at that point he was head graduates a pharmacist University Texas and he was looking he had some employer and he worked for this one guy for I don't know how many years I couldn't have been over six because when when I was in kindergarten a pig after taking two are extra bad then he had bought a drugstore okay on entering the
road men would move over cently I think there's a restaurant in town mmm the south of Augustine okay how many years were you at that location - at 3:00 and then then his original Java he first out of college was a drug store called Stovall's which was in the corner of Northwest Highway and Preston Road and then active mr. Stovall died after where he had a sub store she called her and said I want to sell this story do you want to buy so he knew that was really a better location than the Lois Lane location so he bought that so we have two stores well go around and that was never really kept you busy and for somebody he couldn't even count I became a bookkeeper it be was great and I had an emission anything what tell me a little bit about what the early days well I say early days of Dallas that early days that you were here in Dallas what was the
city like back then can you describe that to me probably when I was teaching I had teaching music he had to go to several different schools so I saw several different schools but our big tree twisted for the girls the stuff my friends would go downtown to England civil ones or something you know took Marla there at one time in her high chair she still he stopped telling oh my good master the milk over the neighbors next door if I clean your coat and so it was like twenty dollars to cleaner code it means which is a lot oh yeah what's that mmm-hmm anyway so
I'm trying to think I guess I still it's just stupid like it I think best Cohen called Marvin said you've got to make your wife a member of sisterhood what if I could turn down this so he did next time used to find a bit bad and we'd go to Fair Park was nice and we always liked art I guess what we did was work we'll take care of the children I don't remember - I think it's another belong to the Dawson's I had a China Casa and a group called I'll make a MIT how many women none and these were all journey groups you
know which was fine I don't remember going to too many of the actual meetings how have you seen the city grow since it's been here well my first apartment was on Northwest Highway and hillcrist pleasure partners there my roommate I had a upstairs apartment with a little porch and we would turn to the right to space Northwest Highway and at that corner there and torch was now in Hillcrest was a private movie theater Oh and so we would watch the movies by our porch once a wise it duck understood enough we actually got in the car and went to hear it in Lucy but we
would see that is it now temple where temple Emmanuel is no fun mystery our sister up straight up in spring station or something like that but that was there and then I had a big boy hamburger place there kept they had a that and they had a beautiful furniture store of it Howard go yeah not golden but I can't remember it before just contemporary furniture store in that area hmm and I'm pretty soon he'll Phoenix got there yeah something that doesn't want that and we would look at out the window at the store on Preston Road and the north and there's nothing there Willis houses
now there's a horse farm oh my it's girl oh yeah it's good how have you seen specifically if you have seen the Jewish community change over the years in your opinion I ever seen of course we've got huge well yeah yeah I mean I said I oh I saw he's an unselfish size and and I guess through the show we became friends with our children's parents you know so we had their act together but meanwhile everything's doing all not everybody still had their meetings and still since your kids are well tell me about a little bit about how your family has grown okay well Marlo
was first although she won't claim there and then Steven and then berry and at that we had to move from our house original house a little Lakewood house back over to this neighborhood because it's too far from Burton had to drive for me to drive to keep books and take care of the children so we moved over to a house and Waggoner Preston mm-hmm and stayed there for five years meanwhile his dad's just mom and dad I guess and so he was by himself so he said we needed him to move so we built this house in fact there was going to be by the
time it got my house got finished she had married again so you anyway so I mean the kids are all great they play with Marla meant to Pershing and the other kids went here depressed in Holland they all three went to Hillcrest they all three graduated University of Texas they all three were marvelous stt Stephen was a CBT areas of AEPi and that was a little confusing because they only had one tuxedo between the two forks and the only the state was final the air they had two problems on the same night oh boy please run back and forth borrowing over he got the seat
okay good mate while they have contributed Barry Podesta's Hart got married first he was three or four months younger than 25 and when they went my honeymoon they wouldn't let him in a car he was too young too young where did he end up living he they speak him down as he's here at first they stayed in Dallas they had two gorgeous boys and then he was in finance with a stockbroker and the one some stockbroker in Nashville persuaded him to move there they love Nashville and that stock brokerage got bought up by another stock brokerage and they wanted him to move to I think
Minnesota or someplace and meanwhile every kind of that there are people who solicit these people he got solicited for a place in California so he and the two boys wife and two boys all moved to a town had assets outside of Oakland Walnut Creek California beautiful and then that thought broken got thought up and again he said if I have to start all over i'ma start back in Dallas so I'm it well the main one but one of the better things while he was out there they adopted a baby girl from Korea and see just now became a freshman at that Pierce high school huh
yeah so they live in Richardson gave everything Richardson sample and Hillcrest and both of both boys will graduate from college this year the older one went to Israel for a year to join the IDF and he actually adored it there but he could not learn the language in town so they all pretend no stay meeting workers but he don't want to stop warehouses he wanted really don't become a military man so he so he had a one year behind and his younger and he goes to Stephen have Austin in Nacogdoches in ROTC and he will graduate and neither he said it's gonna be in law
enforcement I thought that man he's gonna be a lawyer good it means he's gonna be in the military or than police whatever whatever you want to spike and then the younger boys in Savannah the school of art design he's in film and he also plays the drums punk rock he spent officer mr. bunny on a set of drums it's bigger than this room and he graduates this year and that Marlys daughter graduates this year so we have we had four within two years they're gonna be busy no we went to my graduation and I don't Florida Steve does but he did go to the middle kid didn't move to Florida he went to medical school here Dallas and they did his residency in Tampa and they offered him a position before he graduated so he stayed med a darling little girl they had two sons mm-hmm one does graduate that's a lot of things cuz a lot of good thing
most wonderful wonderful wonderful so your family's grown quite a bit six grand she will just loan even more since Marla remarried now she has three more children tonight this gives us some more granularly and two baby great-grandbabies and they find even cuter than one four year old girls you know besides your family which I'm sure you're busy with what else have you gotten involved it and later on in life I started taking art lessons at the JCC can I see what's behind him there tell us like what I did up I will show you okay good this is the picture of Lake Tahoe the picture
was taken with the camera and I brought it home beautiful artists leave your picture mmm pretty are you still involved with things that the do you think this what else do whatever you've done there what would you exercise and I read about this through the art eat lunch there occasionally did we swim three times a week in the warm water pool which is so good if you have arthritis try to find time to go with it has everything feel better that's true is there anything else that I know a good question along the years is there anybody here that you feel has been a role
model for you somebody that you really looked up to coming here as a young adult but this is just my husband at night okay yeah that's fine I of course them the rabbi's yeah and we've had several rabbis good ones besides your family which everybody usually says my family but what else can you think of that you're the most proud of at this point besides besides the I mean did a great job with them at this point is very difficult because at this point I'm 85 and most of my clothes bridge blank I play bridge puts my bridge playing friends and it'll cost us to
get new new players you know and so but I miss about being able to live and be healthy and do the things we like we have Symphony tickets see some Symphony tickets we belong to every museum town mm-hmm and we do the bit is still family it's okay it sounds alright is there anything you can think of that you'd like to add that I haven't asked I'll probably think about it oh we have had some nice trips and I imagine I know you've made some terrific friends along the way oh yeah probably lifelong friends since you've been here right are you still keep in touch
with some of those people mm-hm that's what I figured yep I don't mean memory any friends live no Jessel cuz I left at 16 hmm and it was wonderful this is 1948 there's very few even graduate high since they graduated ask a Muslim but they didn't go on to college and then we just went off and I went to a job in Jewish sorority in college I've never had any future classmates Vanessa I think my last year another girl moved into town are you in touch with or do you see the elders here they want to live here they're both deceased what about their children
well it's healthy I see them I see them when a spill up I'm gonna Susan Susan and Marlo got the same age and actually I had Melissa paneer older where Susan tells her every year her birthday card and I see Philip but you're right passed away a couple years ago Bessie Bessie if I move from Odessa to Dallas for medical reasons of knesset that about a year after to CT and and Philips kids are old Roman graduate from college hmm and Susan what afraid you no one still in college I thinking well it's working but you know I don't see them as much thought you
stupid we do stay that's good okay well this has been wonderful I appreciate it I'm moving on to your husband now okay you