William Soltes
William Soltes was born in Austria-Hungary, the youngest of twelve children. He was about five years old when his mother brought several of the children to join his father, who had emigrated to New York in 1897 to escape a country he felt offered no proper schooling for his family. Soltes attended a yeshiva on Henry Street until age ten, then combined public school with evening Jewish study, leaving school around thirteen to work and help support his parents and to allow his brother Mordecai to pursue an education. His family scattered over the years, with siblings living remarkably long lives, and his mother later settled in the Catskills, where he visited her shortly before her death.
In 1916, at age 21 and just after voting for Woodrow Wilson, Soltes traveled three days and nights by train to Dallas, where his sister Jenny Ketch and her husband met him at the Union Depot. He first worked for his brother-in-law at the American Junk Company. In 1917 he volunteered for the Army, serving in the field artillery at Fort Bliss and enduring hearing loss from the guns, but because of his Austrian birth he was not sent overseas and was honorably discharged in 1918. He then worked in the junk business in Wichita Falls, later buying a half interest in a store on Elm Street, which he eventually took over fully and ran until 1946. Afterward he spent 34 years in the federal bonding business, becoming well known to Dallas judges, before retiring at age 80 and dealing in property.
In March 1921, Soltes married Sarah, keeping a strictly kosher home during their sixty years together, and they raised two sons who earned advanced degrees, one becoming a physics professor and the other a physician trained at Harvard. He joined Tiferet Israel in 1921, serving many years including as an officer, and was among the organizers of the Hebrew Free Loan society in 1934. Known for lending money without interest and for aiding those in need, he saw charity as central to his faith. He gave generously to his congregation's Hebrew school in his wife's memory and often spoke out to defend synagogue employees and traditional practice, remaining active in Jewish life throughout his long years in Dallas.
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September the 22nd, 1983, and we are coming here with Mr. William Saltis. This is James Baker, and we are in Mr. Saltis' home at 6814. Stephanie. Now, Mr. Saltis, how many years have you lived in Dallas? 67 years. So you came here in 19... 16. 1916. Yes. And how is it that you came to Dallas? My sister, Mrs. Jenny Ketch, lived in Dallas. She came to New York in April 1916 to a wedding of my brother Mordecai. My name is Josh. Hi, I'm a geek. She attended the wedding as well as I did. and I inquired from my sister what is going on in Dallas, Texas that I want to leave New York City.
And she advised me, if you want to work hard and with ambition, you'll make a success. It's a growing city. Well, she went back to Dallas after the wedding and then I, for my parents, because I was just one-on-one living at home at the time. I'm the youngest of 12 children. And I was at that time the age of 21. And I made up my mind to go to Texas. I went by train, chair car, the cheapest way I could come to Dallas. It took me three days and three nights to arrive here. And I arrived in Dallas on a Sunday and before I left New York I voted for Woodrow Wilson for president in the same month I came to Dallas I came to the Union Depot which was built a year or so before I arrived and my sister and her husband Mr.
Bonet Catch met me at the depot and we took him over to her home on Noclone on Hood Street I stayed with her after Sunday when I arrived in Alice and Monday I went to work for my brother at the American Junk Company on McKinney Avenue Mr Moses Feldman and my brother Bonnie Cash were partners at that time I went to work for them. In December of 1916, I got ill with an appendix, and I was taken to the Baptist Sanitarium. Dr. Levy H.R. Levy was my surgeon he operated, took my appendix out I came back to my sister's home and went back to work for my brother-in-law and Mr.
Ketch Mr. Feldman and then I received a notice from the army the one to draft me August the 12th, 1917 I volunteered in the Army and the heavy artillery. I was then sent to Fort Sam Houston to be examined. And after two days, I was sent down to El Paso, Texas, to Fort Bliss. And I joined the 18th Field Artillery, Battery E. I was the only Jewish boy in the battery of 250 men and the shortest man. and I was there about a week or so, and I went to see the captain of our battery, Captain Harrison, and asked him if he could help me.
He said, what is it you want? You just ride here. Well, I'm the one of the Jewish boys in the battery, and I'd like to say my prayers. I have followed for a readily. He bent on his knees and crossed himself and took me to the dining room, a mess hall. And he informed the sergeant that I was private psalters, that I wanted to come there and say my prayers a half hour before readily. At that time we had no barracks, we had tents. Seven boys in one tent, room for full, but seven of us slept there. And I couldn't interfere with their sleeping by me getting up earlier.
so I thanked him and I went there the next morning and put on my phylacteries my talus and my skullcap and I stood there saying my prayers and one morning the captain came in there and he came up to me with a sergeant and he wanted anybody interference with me and I shook my head he then said to me you get along all right and I shook my head again and he said he must be something he didn't want to talk to me so when I stepped back three steps rather I was facing the east and I came forward three steps and I informed the
captain that I was in communion with the commander-in-chief and I could not speak to him at that time he then stopped dropped on his knees and crossed themselves and maybe his orderly and I thanked him well I was with the 18th Field Artillery I was born in Austria, Hungary and I was so informed the place where I was sworn in and December of 1916 we received instructions to go overseas in the meantime I have learned how to handle the six inch houses which had eight horses to the gun eight horses to the caisson the gun weighed fifty six hundred and some odd pounds and I
was number two gunner notice came that we were going to go overseas to France then I received notice from the southern department in San Antonio ago to the effects that anybody born in Austria or Germany will never be taken across the seas and I was informed I went to the captain and told him I said I want to appeal it because I was five years of age when I received and arrived in the United States and I didn't know anything about Austria or Hungary but if they had a uniform on of the Germans or Austrians I be compelled to eliminate them. And they transferred me to the 7th Cavalry, also at Fort Bliss.
And I stayed there a while, and while I was with the artillery my right ear was affected with the noise and I was losing my hearing and it took me to the base hospital and operated on my left side through the nose through the ear to give me my hearing back in my left ear I still don't hear out of my right ear. But anyhow, I was with the 7th Cavalry and they had to go to target practice. I went to the captain of the troop, Captain Frizzell, and I advised him that my hearing of my right ear was affected with the noise of the guns could he excuse me from going down and firing the rifles we didn't have any big guns he said why not but you go down and pull down the targets which I did after we got through shooting up to noon hour we went to eat the sergeant came to me and said you go down there and shoot the rifle I said I can't Captain Frizzell excuse me from doing that but to stay down and handle the targets we
have no orders you go take a rifle and shoot I said I won't so he called the lieutenant and advised that I was not acting according to orders and the lieutenant says you know what we can do I said no sir we can put you in the god house well the captain Frizzell excuse me from going so he got another troop to go with me to go back to my quarters unfortunately the captain had the flu and he was in his tent and we came in there together and the sergeant informed me that they sent me here under arrest oh he says I took sick
and forgot to put it on the bulletin you go ahead out there put down targets again Well, anyhow, after that, I was transferred to Camp Stanley to teach the young troops how to ride horses. I went down there, and I found wooden horses. I didn't like it. So I wrote a letter to Secretary Warbaker and Senator Borah from South Carolina, I'm a state in the West. I told them I volunteered in this war to do my part. And I was in the artillery. I did what I could, but they wouldn't send me across because I was born in Austria. I was transferred to 7th Cavalry.
I stayed there a while and they transferred me to Camp Stanley. and I came here to teach the boys about horses, and I found wooden horses. I can do better and more for the government as a civilian, and I can't in uniform. And I thought, well, I could throw it away. One day, we had the barracks there. A young man walked in on a Friday. He says, Private Salters. I said, yes, the colonel wants to see you. What did I do? I come in there, Colonel, private soldier reporting, did you write a letter to Secretary of Warbaker and Senator Borah? I said, yes, sir. Well, you discharge honorably.
And you get your clothes got any time you want to. I said, I'll do this. I'll phone my sister in Dallas and mail me my civilian clothes. And I want to give all the things back to the government. I'm not a soldier. And I don't want to pray in Dallas in a uniform. so okay we'll put you in a tent here separate you question out an army anymore put me in a tent and my clothes came I dressed shook hands with the Colonel I came home on July the 4th 1918 this shot soldier honorably I then went back to work for my brother-in-law who was separated from mr.
Feldman I worked for a while and then I went out from I know he went to Wichita Falls Texas then it was a oil boom in 1918 in the Burke Burnett oil field he went up there and I stayed in Dallas it's the little things and like what oh well i got my truck i went out and bought some metals here and metals there and sold to the wholesalers my brother mr catch called me from wichita falls this is saltest i can buy a junkyard here and put you in charge and if you think you like it I sell it to you eventually Well I went on the train that night and went into Wichita Falls And my sister was still living in Dallas at the time.
So I got me, couldn't find any place to stay. I got me at what do you call this it was laying in the bed anyhow got a bunk and put a straw in it and I got a place one place I had those rents you know places to sleep a rooming house or what type of people had a big tent and they had those bunks in there but I took it temporarily so then my sister then came to Wichita Falls and Mr. Cash bought the yard and I took over he gave me checks signed in blank to buy what I want and sell what I want and he went into oil business so in the evening my brother-in-law Isa Wachowski had a place on Wichita Falls he sold root beer popcorn, peanuts, oil field match and so on, I'd go by there in the evening at night and I'd closed up and spend time there I'd sell the popcorn for him root beer the man came there and he was buying something he says, you in the junk business?
I said, yes, I wish he'd come to Petrolia Texas, the Lone Star Gas Company we had a world of goods piled up there, you could buy it I said, thank you I'll come So I got my truck, I had another truck we had, and four of us went to Wichita, to Pertolia, Texas. Where is Pertolia, Texas? East of Wichita Falls, about 21 miles. I went to the man, he showed me the materials, and I gave him a check of $500 for it. And we started loading it up with the trucks, and it was some in the boxcar that were more valuable. and the pipe and iron we put in a coal car.
I worked there three days and three nights, loaded it up. I came back to Wichita Falls I came over to the house My sister moved then to Wichita Falls I came in I was tired I gave them the bills of lading and the checks I didn use And he said you know what I'm going to do? I thought I'd go into oil business, but I decided to stay in the junk business. And I'll be able to take care of it myself. So I said, well, it's your business. you have a family I'm single so what do we do in the meantime I became engaged to my wife I had liberty bonds I cashed them in I bought her a ring before we got engaged I took her to three shows in near Fair Park called Cycle Park Theater before your days they had an outdoor show every week changed so I'd borrow my brother-in-law's car and go over to Caroline Street and pick up Sarah Wachowski he went to the show and I'd buy a sack of chukka-covered almonds and we ate it while the show was going on I took it to three different shows and the fourth show I sat on a porch on a swing on Caroline Street I said young lady I've enjoyed going with you to the cycle park theater.
I had never taken any female to a show with me in my life before. And the only way I go along with you is to become engaged. She says, all right. So we became engaged. So I didn't, I said, okay. I went and bought a diamond ring, three-quarters of a carrot, and Tiffany mounting. And I wrote it to her like I was carrying the whole house in my hand. I came to the house, and her father and mother were there. And I gave her the ring, and she kissed me first. I never kissed her before. Nor hugged her. So, Mama said, we have another son in the family.
And we got along very nicely. What year was that? 19, latter part of 1918, the first of 19. So I said, well, I've got to go to Wichita Falls. And I'll make us money. We'll come back in there with Mary. She said, that's fine. We carouser, every day I had a letter, and every day she had a letter. And when I come to visit her I stop over at the music shop and get a roll of music and a play of piano You pump I buy all the latest songs The faces I see don't appeal to me, only the one that you have. And the women and the men come around on the porch to listen to us.
They both have good voices. And I came there once a month to see her. and I would make a little money, and I bought some stock in some of them oil fields, and after I left my brother-in-law, I started out for myself, I said, No, I wouldn't buy, so my brother-in-law said, Let me buy out your partners, a part of the business, and I'll do business with you. I can do more for this business than you're doing it now, because you're both bachelors, and you run around at night when you stay here and take care of your business. went in the cafe and talked about it I'm not anymore than Mr.
Catch I have a little money I can buy him out so I said I'll talk to him I bought him out and I went in business with him selling root beer popcorn and peanuts oil field maps and pictures people would come to town would stop in the companies they want to stand in front of their derricks and I'd go over there and put a sign on their derrick they'd come in and photograph them we sold 8x10s in panoramic pictures by the time we got through we got $50 out of the man and so I stayed there every night and the back of me were officers and they gambled and I had no friends of gambling and I furnished them root beer I thought Issa you go home I'll stay here I furnished them root beer cigars and so on they gave me $50 and $60 and so on went on for one night.
I built myself gradually. And then Mr. Catch sold, instead of going to business for himself, he had in mind to sell it to the people who, one of them died not long ago. There were three brothers. One died recently in the non-oil business. I know them like no more. For momentarily, I'm passing it up. Anyhow, he had a mind to sell the business to them. He told me he's going to go in. He sold the business to them, which is alright, it's his business. But I stayed there with my brother-in-law and got along very nicely. Then my brother-in-law was doing the other things to catch.
Somebody told me there's a place on Elm Street for sale and he liked to sell out. Sam Goldberg, he used to have a store on Elm Street. There was a brother, Lefkowitz. So I happened to know him. So I used to go to Dallas, I'd go by and see him on Elm Street. and I says, where's Charlie Lukowicz? He says, he went to California. Your wife has tuberculosis. The air is better for her there. So he says, I'd like to go there too. I said, what would you do there? It's a strange country. You're not a baby, a boy. I'll buy your bloodline out. I didn't want to stay in Wichita Paul's there.
He says, well, he'll come back maybe 30 days. Call him when he comes back. In the meantime, you ought to see what you've got to sell. I want to see what he had. So we took inventory. I said, all right. I kept a copy of the inventory, and I went back to Wichita Falls. I told my brother-in-law, I said, Richas Iser, I said, I think I may buy the half of the store. So if you want to go on vacation now, you go on for a while, and I'll take care of the business. But my brother-in-law came in, and he called me. I went back to Dallas to the store.
hello Charlie hello Willie he said I understand you want to buy my place he didn't know I took inventory I said what do you want he says $5,000 I said I'll tell you what Charlie you got a good location but you haven't got $5,000 worth to sell you owe money and your stock is low you haven't done any business because your brother-in-law is fixing to sell it come to California I said what I'll do with you I'll give you $3,000 cash and I'll buy undivided half interest in this business they're all right Willie so I sat down and wrote myself I William Salter do hereby purchased half interest half undivided interest in the store located at 2316 Elm Street for the amount of $3,000 he signed it and had his brother witness it He says I got to go back to Wichita Falls and sell my interest there I be back here in a week I stay here with Sam Goldberg So he did, and I came back, and I went to the business with him.
In my part, I couldn't read and write English. Very pure Yiddish. But I said, with my ability and the way I get around, well he'd know in the neighborhood I'd make it alright so I went to business with a man and got a hold of the landlord told him to change the front I said the merchandise we have here I don't want to sell because it's inferior merchandise the shoes have half leather and half paper I don't want to sell a man a pair of shoes with paper in it so we made a big sale and get all that old stuff out and I got Iro shirts, Stetson hats, Roshheim shoes.
Black men used to go down to Yimcans to buy from them. And the shoes, another storekeeper had it, but he was sleeping with it. So I wrote a letter to the people up there. I bought the Roshheim and I bought the Packard shoe from Brockton, Massachusetts. I have your salesman call on me. or call out us when you come to Dallas and I think we'll do business with you but you'll get more business out of me than the one down on Lamar Main Street behind E.M. Canyon the man came to town and we went to see him and I told him don't talk Yiddish to me he's a Yankee let me do the talking and he listened to me he came in he talked to me He said, did you write that letter?
It's a beautiful letter you wrote. And we were happy to come here. How many shoes do you want? I want 144 pair of shoes. As an opener? I said, yes, sir. Within 60 days, we'll reorder. He says, young man, you sure have confidence. I didn't have confidence I wouldn't be in business. So we got the shoes in. Then we hired a man to trim the window. There was one of those jewelry and things and one side of the clothing and shoes. I watched him, waiting 25 hours to trim the window. The next time I trimmed it and then off They had the shoes in there Oh looky here Mr Salter got the shoes here just like downtown In the hats and beautiful caps they wore.
And our business picked up with a new front. I stayed with the man nine years, and I had to buy him out. Because I got to the point where I couldn't depend on him. he'd make loans to write it in Yiddish and I couldn't pronounce it the way he wrote it for instance a man named Mahaj H-O-D-G-E he had Mr. Arch but I didn't know Mr. Arch so anyhow I went along with him for nine years and then one time he took a trip to New York and he came back and the day before he came back the bank called me I was overdrawn. I said, it couldn't be overdrawn according to my book.
So I went on to the bank, and I picked up the overdraft, and I said to Sam, why don't you, how come you take checks out of the back of the book and write them, and then don't tell me. I'm a partner. Yes, you're a partner. You talk to me what you've done, but you should tell me. You embarrass me with the bank. so one day we had heavy loans we rent low in cash the banks were closed he said I'll go down and see Sam Goodman vegetable peddler he comes home with money now brings some money up he brought the money up I noticed the rappers were bank rappers at that time the Republic National Bank was called the Day and Night Bank before your time they were in a two story building where the Davis building is today.
So he went down and he brought it back. I noticed it came from the bank. I took off the wrappers and put them in my pocket. It didn't say anything. But I became short in my account. I used to go down Sunday morning, keep a door locked, and check up for the week. And I was short. I said, Sam, I wonder why we're short. And he says, well, you make mistakes. So I noticed that the money came from the very not bank so I went down to the bank one day I took went to the same account I said lady I won in in the Goldbergs sold this account When you get through tell me the balance And she took the money and gave me a receipt for it You got $5,000 in the land saving account.
Let's make $5,050. So I came back. And I looked around. I said, oh, we had two big safes, seven-foot safes. I saw a little book corner sticking down. And I pulled out with a knife, pulled it down. as I said, the savings account book was in both names. And so how am I going to tell him? I said, you know, Sam, you haven't done much for the store lately. I don't think we're going to get along. You think you're doomed. I'll show you something about that dude. You got to pull that book out of there. How do you know? You know, I'm a Shemil one way.
And I'm on a Shemil all the time. I respected you. You're older than me. but what you've done I won't take you I want you to buy me out I knew he couldn't get the money alright, Willie I'll take 30,000 that's my half interest he went away in Quebec and Willie, they won't give me the money well then I'll have to borrow money oh, you had it in your mind all the time I said no you won't know the truth I never even thought about it until you pull these two stunts I can checks out of it out of the store they're telling me and take money out of here and I've kept telling you we're short so let's draw the five thousand fifty dollars with the interest bank you take half out the half before we go any further now I went down made arrangements with the bank, but we had property together too.
So I gave him so much cash and my interest in the properties to hold, to pay him to balance. And then my contract with him, my agreement rather, that he couldn't do any business so much distance from my store. And the name Uncle Sam's Pawn Shop was recorded. I bought that. So he opened the store, not very far from me, and put a big sign up, Sam Goldberg Pawn Shop. If not, he blacked out the Goldberg in Sam's Pawn Shop. So I took a picture. One night, next night, five nights had a photographer taken. So I had a witness. Took him to court. I said, Your Honor, Mr.
Goldberg is violating his contract. That he couldn't engage in the business a certain distance from me. And here are photographs also using my name that I paid for. Just looked at him. My son was Brooke. I said, he's a photographer, and he had the photographs taken away the whole week. He says, Billy, you're watching me. I said, sure, it's my money I'm watching. So he sold out. And next door to me were Michelson brothers. So he and his brother Dave, he bought the shop and took Dave away from my brother-in-law's store. And he went in there, he finished the money, and he went in there waiting on customers.
I got a black boy over, come in, you go see that man there, tell him you want to buy a suit of underwear, a pair of socks, and a handkerchief or two. Tell him to give you a bill so you can show it to the man you're buying it for. So he did, he bought it to me. I took him to court again. the judge says looks like he won me putting it in penitentiary down to your jail you see I'll have to ask you to pay me what you made me lose so we got another man there Sam Kaufman he took us in and I said I don't want to be hard on him I want two thousand dollars and no payable into the year without interest.
Oh yeah, he decided to hurry. Gave me the note and he opened up a ladies' shoe store. No, no, a ladies' dance hall. Ten cents a dance on Browder and Cromwell Street. And he's doing pretty good. Really, I'm doing fine. The year was up and the note is due. So I went up to see him at this club I said Sam you know it been due over a week Lily I don have money I can pay you In the meantime, he gave his half interest another man's name, a friend of his. He'd come to Avon Mark and I'd give him half the rent they collected.
So he came in one day. I says to him, Mr., I'm going to file a lawsuit against you that you have the property under a subterfuge. what's our subterfuge? you don't own it but you hold it for Sam Goldberg and I'm going to sue him and you too because you're with him they really they really don't do nothing so I knew he'd go to Sam Goldberg immediately he came back Sam says well how much you give him his interest in the property he had $25,000 in it I had his note for $2,000 I said I meet him in the attorney's office I did went up there his lawyer was Mr.
Allen my lawyer was Mr. Niblo and he came up there well Billy what did you give me well I got a $2,000 note of yours as your parents do I'll give you $2,000 in cash it's $4,000 She said, you're crazy. I don't know if I'm crazy or not. That's what I'll give you for. Take it or leave it. The lawyer talked to him and says, okay, I'll take it. So I gave him the $4,000 and the $425,000 worth of interest in the same property. We still owe a little money. I took it over. That is my experience with him. He went in the building business.
and I got him out I stayed there till 1946 Mr. Levine he said job stuff his father he got a dress shop Phil Levine Phil Levine came to me and he says Billy I'll buy your store for my son bring him down on Sunday I'll talk to him So I had Meyer Rachovsky with me and his brother Issa Rachovsky And he had his father and his father and his father brother He used to have checking in the hotels hat checking and they had plenty of money He married one of the, one daughter of one of those men. He came down to me, how will you sell the store?
I had two ways. If they inventory, it costs a dollar and ten cents. Or take my inventory. Phil Levin knew me well. He says, I tell you, Billy Salters, and he tells you anything, that's it. He'll take it out of your inventory, which you made a good buy. So, I had my brother, my wife, gave him a typewriter, and made out a written contract. He'll pay me $5,000 now. I'll give him one key to the store, and he'll come back Monday morning, through the Sunday, come back Monday morning, and he'll see what's going on. and Wednesday they give me my money. Forty some odd thousand dollars.
See? And note. Monday morning he came with me to open the store. I couldn't get without him. He couldn't get without me. And Isaac Goldstein worked for me then. My manager. He says, where do I come in? He'll stay here and work for him. so Wednesday Jaffee who died on the street running one morning came in with them and says Salters how come you sell a store the name without a lawyer they want to hire you he can say hereafter more after and here and here that's all you'll do he won't get any more what I wrote out I guarantee the inventory I guarantee we won't go on competition with him.
And he gave me the cash on Wednesdays. This is Tuesday. So Mr. Levin says, But you won really good. Our contract is good enough for me. He went away. Wednesday, he gave me my money. I went over to the internal revenue. Here's my contract. I got the cash for it. He owed me a balance. so when I come to pay my impact you know what I've done he says Bill if I did like you did I wouldn't have a job so then on I went to make federal bonds federal bonding business I was in the business 34 years Judge Davidson called me King David. We talked, I used to go in his chamber and we'd read the Psalms together.
And every year I'd give him a birthday party, after he was 65, until he was 97. Every year he'd have a birthday party. His birthday is the 21st of September, Marsal 22nd. I have letters here that I wouldn't take for them from him. My dear King David, anything you want me to do to help you, feel free to ask me. He was in charge of all the courts in North Texas. I signed bonds in Dallas, returnable all over the United States. I have records in my office right now. The first bond I made and the last one. When I became 80 years of age, I retired.
I went to buy property. I went to buy property earlier. I bought property in Parker County, Tarrant County, Dallas County, all over around the small company. And I also bought tax property. People couldn't pay taxes and they sold. I come bid on it. I made money on that. And that, oh, and I went, in 1900, when I was 80 years old, that's eight years ago, I quit the bonding business. And I quit buying, I quit buying, I was selling. I sold my property in Parker County. I sold my property in Karen County. I sold a pop the other day, an acre of land in Grand Prairie with $28,000.
You talk French in there too. Anyhow, that's what I've done. But in the meantime, I didn't forget my Jewish faith. I joined the Tefer of Israel in 1921. and then first meeting I went to I made treasurer they had a hundred and forty dollars in the bank and a note for five thousand dollars from Ben Ablin produce man He had a warehouse and they handed me the papers, the note, and the balance in the bank. And Mr. Abelman was president of the congregation. I said, gentlemen, I appreciate the honor of the black community treasurer. I'll do the best I can to keep things in order.
But this note we have from Mr. Abelman isn't where the paper's written on. He said, do you know him? He's a big fellow. He said, what in the hell are you talking about? I said, Mr. Adlin, when I address you as chairman, I address you as a gentleman, and you address me the same. This note is not signed by you, but by a corporation, your president. If the corporation goes broke, you're not responsible for that money. Vazokta. And then Mr. Swishman, Well, Benavillin can if I saw him? I said, Well, I didn't say he can. But if anything happens and his business goes down, you've got a note.
I don't know what you can do with it, but I want you to know. I want you to hold me responsible for it. He never paid that note. and every man at the meeting owed he owed money to because they were all peddlers going to the country bringing back eggs and sell dry goods worked hard Mr. Tobolowsky he owed him $8,000 he had eight children to support and whatever it was, he didn't pay it. Big shot. So they came to me one day, he says, Sultan, you loaned me $100? That's the chur. I gave him $100 in cash. He gave me a note. I'll pay it to you in a couple of weeks.
I waited two months. I went to his place on Camp Street. I says, Mr. Ablin, this is a little bit late on that. I'm not going to charge you any interest. I want my $100. in his pocket and everything. A month later he come again. I said, no, your word wasn't good with me. Now let him go. I spent 50 years in the Devika Disha at the congregation They called me at night I come home from the store we have work tonight and what it was And I have my supper, and I had changed my clothes. In the meantime, I got ahead of my story.
In March 1921, I married the sweetest woman in the world. smart, believed in religion, had to kept a kosher home. We had 60 years of happy, lovely life. I can show you cards right now. I got them in my drawer. I gave her for her wedding card or her birthday card or anything that I thought would match her up. and we had two wonderful sons in 1924 my first son was born Elton David that's when all together Elton and his wife our checking account was Mr. or Mrs. not Ann and one day she says why don't you give me a check for half I couldn't get the whole thing what do you want half of it for so what else could I do I loved her we took trips all over and I went without her she never went without me nothing was too heavy nothing was too light and nothing and nothing was too I wouldn't do for her and she came to the shul and she had a sitter with the Jewish interpretation instead of English we kept a kosher home strictly kosher and of course unfortunately we had two beautiful sons.
I have a letter here written to me by my oldest son, for birthday. Dear Daddy I writing this here at my room in Texas University Now remember the story you told me that you didn go to school until after 13 years of age You quit school at 13 to help your brother get an education. And you didn't go to high school, you didn't graduate public school. And you came to Texas and came here and worked so hard so that I can get an education that I have. and the only most wonderful thing he ever did for me when he told me you're not going to give me an allowance you write a check on my account it'll be honored William Salters by Elton David Salters and the same thing my younger son he during the time in school I always give some cash extra when he was 21 years of age I went down to Austin, Texas and said to Driscoll Hotel and I called him, Elton, come by and see me.
Where are you? I said, I'm at Driscoll Hotel. He says, Driscoll Hotel, I'm going to write down. I gave him $1,000. This is your birthday present and I'm going to see what you're going to do with it. And I said, write checks on the account. I said, surely. A few days later, he belonged to the Pejas Club in Austin and they were staying in some big grooming house meeting and they saw a piece of property near their stadium they wanted to buy but didn't have enough money to pay down so I helped them wrote me a letter says daddy the club wants to borrow $3,000 that I have in the saving account to help them buy that piece of property what did you advise me to do?
I said whatever you do let them have it and charging the same interest that the bank pays you. He says, Papa, you're the sweetest person I've ever had in my life. You ever will have. He, they bought that property and he put his big plaque up there. So one day I went to Fort Worth to buy a little property there and Leonard Brothers had something to do with it. I said, I'd like to buy it. they called my lawyer and he'll come in and you talk to him the lawyer came he says this is Mr Soltis he says Soltis have you got a son in Texas University Yes help him pay with Sultis That it You his father Let me shake your hand.
We all think the world of him. He loaned us $3,000 to go down and buy the club, the Tejas Club, at 4% interest. We'll have a plaque there as long as it'll stay there. He's also a professor of physics before he graduated. He had his PhD by Betty Kappa. Then my younger son, one day, was seven years apart. My younger son went registered there. In the Texas Club, you couldn't get in for you there so many years to know if you had good grades and good character. He took them in the first year, see. And Morrow was there. He became their treasurer. And Laura graduated from Texas University with engineering degrees.
He came back home. He says, Papa, I don't know what I want to do now, which way I want to go. I'm not satisfied with that degree. I said, tell him what you do. Go see my nephew in New York, man. Now you don't know. David Salters, you go up to his $500. You go up there and ask him to help you. I don't know if they're in colleges. he went there and he came back he said Papa I want to be a doctor and I want to go to Harvard I said well I can tell you I can help you all I can but I can't make you go to Harvard will you send me there I said do you go there absolutely if I have to dig ditches I'll let you go to Harvard make a long story short the sentence here doctor in Austin graduate he examined him and he examined and he interviewed him and he said, I'm going to recommend you.
Then he got another letter to go to Houston to see another doctor. What should I do, Papa? Write a check, get you a ticket to fly down there. You're back at the time for your classes. You want permission to write the check. He went down there. The man says, you have red flannels? He says, yes, if I have them, I can get them. I'll recommend you. And he's so happy. Then he also applied to Texas University Medical School. And one day the Royal Museum They come by the one to interview him. Went there and came home and says, Papa, they want to take me right now.
What should I do? Sit down and send a telegram prepaid to Harvard School of Medicine, to run in charge, and tell them that the Texas University Medical School wants it. I want to say, except the Jew, I want to go to Harvard. you got a telegram come he woke me and says Papa this is one thing I did all by myself not reading and laughing and my wife says what you're laughing and he says he did everything by himself I got a telephone call reading and letter I got a phone Papa Papa yeah this is Maury had a letter up I sent you where would I be without my Papa and my Mama I said, the worst thing I could have written to my father that's the respect I had never said ever another thing I had with them when they're old enough to understand don't you ever raise your voice to your mother I never laid a finger on them if you do, you shouldn't have done it I came home one day an elf wore caught with pants and high shoes and boots and Mama says Elton must behave very terribly.
She never told me, but Sam, she did. I go across the street to see a mama, and I'll take care of her. She went across, went into his room, he's doing homework, he's watching out for homework. Oh, a few things here. Mama, do you nice supper? Oh, yeah, mama always gives me a good supper. Are you boots on your chair? Huh? Did mama ever restrict you? Oh, no. But your mama complained today that you sassed her a little bit. Papa, I didn't mean to. She comes back, put her arms around her and say, you never say it again. Anything to make her feel bad. Here she came.
She was crying, crying. What you do to him? I said, he's your son. He my son Here my son Talk to me Mama I never going to mistreat you again as long as I live And he didn Neither one of them They knew they had to respect us. Never did anything. Before they go out, I'll borrow my car. Eleven o'clock, we'll be in the house. Never leave my finger on them. I taught them. but if you behave and respect you'll always get along in the world and those boys got the reputation when you are the one that come to the Tefez we get up there on Friday night Kabbalah Shabbos Uncle Ben Tabloski said where did he get learned that?
Rabbi Lopkovsky taught him remember them when they fired Lopkovsky and my son Maury Dupac cried the only Jewish man in Dallas the only one who believes well then I was with the Tverathes of 1921 and several times I left them for doing things wrong I am now the oldest living past president of the congregation inside the wall I left them at 79 why? one morning I had yosha to my mother-in-law now for men here in myra or sand could blow up in Darwin it's a short prayer but the morning they couldn't tackle so I'd go up there I'd go up there and they'd say Goddash Sylvan Goldstein I got yosha to my grandfather I said he's been dead a hundred years well I want to dive him first alright you dive him up to Yushtavah then I'll take over fair enough if he comes to Yushtavah he wouldn't leave Rabbi Zubbis says to him Mr.
Soft is supposed to dive him and he promised him he would and San Machofsky told him that so I sat there in my seat he said that Blaskey comes to me why don't you go up there I said if he was a mule I got me a wire push it up his royal highness he get off of there but he not a mule he a two licking mule not going to go across with him You the Gabbard And he was Sisting Gabbard You're Gabbard. You tell him. He didn't. He walked back. That night I left. I went back to the Sherathu. I remember Sherathu as before, but I stayed with it.
I go there from then on. But before I left, I put a memorandum on the wall in my wife's memory, maybe if you've been seeing it, for the children's school. I gave them $2500. And I replenished it every year. So I left there. They didn't come to me to apologize for what they did. Never said they're sorry. So it'll be as it is. I still, every year I replenish that thing I gave for my wife keep it alive the other day I was at the shul we had a meeting at Hebrew free loan which also I held to organize in 1934 we didn't have $500 and I didn't go to the meetings then I had to care of my business but they had an important meeting coming up what's his name again there.
Sal who was a gray-haired man? Levine? Levine. His father was vice president. He was two years a president. He used to go to Sakhon upstairs. He wanted a third term. Mr. what's his name? The junk business. His son comes to the shul. Says no, no, no third business. No, no, no. We're going to walk out. out. Oaken. Oaken. He's a troublemaker. I said, Mr. Oaken, let me say something to you. First of all, Mr. H.M. Levenson's holding chair in Levine's place, because he got to vote for him, so he had to get out of the way. So I said to Mr. Levenson, let me take over the chair temporarily.
I want to save this organization. Sure saw this. Thought oh man they were quite a crowd I said oh sleepy didn I make him go to sleep Anyhow I said now folks we came to this meeting to elect officers Now, Mr. Secretary, did you have anything in your bylaws, I know it wasn't there, that you couldn't have a third term, consecutive term? I don't know. I mean, wasn't it? No. All right, Mr. Oaken, the people that are following you. I know you want the organization to succeed as I do but we got the old law doesn't say he can or he shouldn't let me say this to you let us elect him for the third term we know and you know that he worked hard to organize this and we don't want to tear it up now.
People come from Germany and all over there. We can help them. That is elected for a third term and we'll add on in our bylaws that nobody can say more than two consecutive terms. Fair enough? Good. We elected them. So now since we have offices elected, we haven't got any money. make a few loans 50 dollar loans in the five six hundred dollars don't last long how about raising money tonight we have a gathering i'll give you 50 dollars right now how is 750 dollars over in a few moments when all men come by and cut the cushion was kushka i made a remark if you have artists you have brocha if you have brocha you have that's locker.
It says, where'd you see that? I said, it comes natural. If you have a home and it's harmonious, it's happy and it's successful. You can beat anybody and get over it. So we raised that money and I've been active ever since. I have plaque here, plaques in my office. They were kind enough to give me for being one of the organizers left yet living and i do everything i can for them because it's helping somebody that needs help now in a prayer book in the morning The first prayer before you say the brachis, these are the things that a Jewish man should do. And the middle of the second visit the sick, while I held in a cemetery and so on.
And I filled in every one of those. I said, how happy I am. and I was so active in the shoe now when I was with the sheriff Mr. Jacobs used to open and close his shoe every morning I'd come there and he was there one morning I'm the last one out I take my palace I'm in and wrap him up and I put him back properly I'm the last one out as I come out of the chapel into the vestibule, I see Jacobs and the underman arguing. I mean under and arguing. I stayed back. Did you know about it? So, I'm going away and here stands the eight o'clock.
I'm going to go ahead. I said, what are you arguing with, the underman? He wants to put me in bankruptcy. his boy came with him he did put him in the bad shirt I think it went around I don't want to cash my insurance I said to him you know Abe you read about angels in the heavens but you should know there are angels in the ground and God provides those angels they may not realize it I'm glad you like it. So I said, don't worry, you're going to help. The next morning, I wrote him a check, a cashier check, for $6,000. I said, here.
You just give me a note. I took a hand back. No interest. He has come down my face. His face, rather. He said, all the rich people in Shul, I don't want him to phone. So the next one I gave him that check I got a call from Judge Whitehurst who was in charge of bankruptcy court He knew me and I knew him well Mr. Salters, this is Judge Whitehurst. How are you, Judge? What makes you call me? I see Mr. Jacobs brought a check up with him, a cashier check for $6,000. Did you know he's going to take bankruptcy? I said, yes. You think he'll pay you?
I know he'll pay me. oh my God, Judge Davidson talked about you and I thought he was just joshing me. I said, no. He's in the prison. Are you coming on? He called me and said, I want to see you in my chambers. I said, all right, Judge. I didn't know what he wanted. I came there and sat down. And he had a picture of my Maury on his desk all the time. I'll tell you why later. so he says no whitehurst called me and he says what do you think the assault is giving the man six thousand dollars you know he's gonna take bankruptcy yeah he said you don't know soldiers like I do I love that man he's a child from God I said oh you shouldn't have told him that judge I didn't tell him enough King David, you're the best I've seen.
I've watched you here for 34 years in the court. I know what you did to the prisoners that didn't have money to pay for a bond, a family. I'll tell you about that. Anyhow, Mr. Jacobs paid up the whole note. Then he came back and won $125 more and I gave it to him. He paid that. So then, all of a sudden I found out he has a golden wedding. So I says to Mr. What's his name? He gives me a shamas. Agon. Agon. Let's have a little gathering. The people that raise the money here, the minions, will give him a shamasude. Oh, Willie, Soltis.
Mr. Soltis, you're right. I'll get Mr. Seel to give us the whiskey. And the people that gave me $25, that's why I got 15 my I gave me $25 and everything didn't get along fine we didn't tell him anything and I called this brother brother to to to Feldman what his name Shannon Shannon Bernard Shannon I wanted to be the emcee He says to me, who would you talk? I said, I've got money together in the chapel. He says, hey, call up Feldman. Call up so-and-so. We want to give him some money. well anyhow Saturday night came to the Shalasudda Mr. I can look comes to me and I let Zella handle it he says to me you're gonna have very few people on the rain told Zella what you're cooking so much she cooked fish cold sweet and sour and she told he told the same thing to zevah said uncle will he told me we want to have a hundred to 150 people that's his word goes with me well here come the crowd no so sadly morning after shul went to the kiddish i noticed him talking to to the what's the fellow in charge of this cemetery for a while.
Ravinsky or Leach? Ravinsky. Talking to Humgerman and him and Ravinsky. And I woke up and said, Shabbos, Mr. Agonov, don't talk to me. What are you talking about? For a long time I made the Shalasuddin and now you give it to Zeller. Didn't I tell you at the time we started it? that we're going to have Zell handle it, leave you to leave it alone. And he walked way mad at me. So it's all right. The crowd is full. Rabbi, what's his name again, was then also divorced. Shapiro? Shapiro. And the younger one was there too. Fertig? Huh? Fertig? Was it Rabbi Fertig that was there?
That's right. And Tender Sands were there. He sang. I sat in the front, got everybody seated. next to him was the man to make the MC have a everything else time to come to and by the way I got a car charge for her and the big 50 and gold lettering you know she she cried not what year was that Go ahead I sorry So anyhow he got up to talk In the meantime, I had, I think, about $1,300 already up. So I took a check out for $1,000 and I had to pay money to Zella. That's my money coming in. So I went down Friday, got a cashier's check, and gave it to him.
he got up he said well we're here to honor Mr. Jacobs and his wife and his gold wedding congratulating and wonderful things that couldn't have happened but you have a lot of people do a lot of talking don't do a dying thing the man who arranged this was Mr. Salt that's sitting right down on the back there let's give him a lot of thanks and they about had gotten blown in me. He goes, here I have a token for you. He's an animal. And he had it there. Abe. Abe's face full of tears running down. And I don't know. I think he's up there too.
We got through with it and we went to the Chalasudah in Munchen Mariner. I walked over to Agonav, I said, now Agonav, there's a misunderstanding, let's forget about it. Don't you talk to me. I said, if he wasn't in the shul, if he wasn't an officer in the shul, I'd be toothy and mouthy, back in your throat. I said, I'm going to leave you in town of you. I got my Tarsen's film, now I'm home. Sunday morning, here comes Jake Goldman, Rinsky and somebody to my home, here. the salt is you we can't lose you he's a fool so Sunday I went back Monday morning rather and they gave me the honor of pick up the torah and that no Adnoth walked away I said no let somebody else pick it up I don't want to make the feel it to remain now walk down one away I'm sure I couldn't stand him but nevertheless that's what I did for him Then recently we had a young man from Canada read the Torah for us, Robert, and he read the Torah better than anybody I've heard.
And I've heard plenty of them. He saw me one day, he says, they won't pay me. Of course, I haven't got a green card. I've got to pay my rent. I've got to eat. My phone bill or something. I gotta have $2,000. I'm no way to get it. I've got freedom, whispered in his ear, and one night knocked on my door here. Come in. Tell me what you're doing. Oh, I came to ask you for a Camilla's Chesed. I knew what he came after. It was Camilla's Chesed. For what? I can't move. How much do you need? $2,000. Around here, we had him out a check, made out a note, here, you watch $2,000, no interest.
The next day or so, the fellow used to be the head of the office from Canada too. No, sir. He says, you gave him $2,000, I sure did, why didn't you give it to him? But, that's the most important thing in our religion. my father told me when I falls down don't give him your foot, give him your hand and you're giving him the foot I gave him the hand you think he'll pay me? whenever he pays me he's alright, no particular time I see the phone call from his mother in Canada are you Angel Salters? I said no, my name is Zef Salters you tell my boy over $2,000?
I said, I surely did. I'll do it again. He said, don't worry about it. Everything will be fine. So he had to have an operation on his leg. On a Friday morning, he calls me up. He says, Mr. Salters, my mother is here from Canada. She knows nobody. She's in the hospital. I'm going for surgery. Nobody to talk to. I says, where are you? Over at the Forest Lane I said I be there Don worry about your mother I got my car from I said I going to the office I went up there Are you Mrs Schomburger Schomburger, yes. I'm Mr. Salters. She got a hold of me.
I said, now, lady, everybody see us. They'll think something's wrong. I said, I don't care what they think. You saved my boy. We talked and talked. I said, you know, today's Friday. Come on, get up Shabbos. Let's go to Minions over there and buy your vegetables. I'll take you over to Fromm's. Before it closes up, you buy what you need for Shabbos. I took her back, and she got into her car. And after he got well, she says, Mama, he wants a picture of you. I said, well, I'll do it for you again. people dobbling people read you don't absorb it that's my life I've had so many if I had said here hours I can tell you who I helped who I did help the rabbis they wouldn't elect the rabbis wanted the fire I wouldn't let them I'm always a friend of the people working for a congregation they have so many people and satisfied and I always fought for them with the path Israel they fired a man and the Rosenberg was a cause of it the man was a reader read the Torah to a log core and also a husband a good one so this shamas we had there I remember his name it's both stand then help him know is it huh is Is he?
Is he? Is he? Is he not? But anyhow, he asked him to leave off of there. So Rosenberg went up there. Sadly, he read the Torah, went to Kiddush, and I sat down here in Uncle Ben Tablaski, here in the rabbi there. In comes Rosenberg. He said, You, in Penis Phonga, the Chazin, and Baldomat, what you were to Shukha. Hagalabah said, You, Grina Tachis, excuse my language I said you came here with holes in your pants and you have the audacity to assault a man at the kiddish table couldn you wait to get to a meeting and talk to him and say what he did wrong And I went home Of course I didn want to get in more anger Anyhow, so I went home.
Next, no, that's this morning. I came from the morning, my uncle says, you think that canter's going to come? He says, fool, if he comes. He never did come anymore. so he called me the next day he says Mr. Salters you took me to the rabbi's office and they completely mentioned me so I can't stay he had a written contract it wouldn't give me anything so his brother lives in Ohio hired a lawyer in Texas to represent him for the money they owe him in the meantime I went to New York and a cousin of mine his daughter lives in the Casco Mountains so we drove his Cadillac up there to Casca Mountain looked around you got a kosher place to eat come on I walk in there and there's the canker he saw me and I saw him and he says what are you doing
here I can't visit this gentleman here my cousin he's a member of the show don't tell him nothing happened in Dallas so I never asked him I'm not going to say anything and they hired him so when I came back here they went to trial in the federal court and so Judge Sarah Hughes was a judge I called and said Judge can you excuse me and have them call me 15 minutes before they need me I had important things to my office don't worry about this office anything I need to achieve be alright Judge Davidson Judge Estes Judge Sarah Hughes and anyone that knew me
respected me so I went there so he called me up and I went up there and I got on the stand and they swore me in and he brought me a kumash I said, Your Honor before I handle this holy book I must cover my head Do you have any reason I shouldn't? He said, No I spoke to the jury Do you have any reason to not allow me to put the skull cap on my head? No, you go ahead He said, put the army on and give me the khumish. I said now Mr Tablowski before you ask me the questions if you ask me a question I won give you the right answer Would you know the difference He took it back and sat down.
I said, Your Honor, I can say the court's time. I'll tell you what happened in a nutshell. Then if he wants to ask me questions, I'd be glad to answer it. And I'll tell you what happened in the shoulder and so on and so forth. What happened? Beg part? what happened what was the problem well i told him how he come insulted the man and they may cause him to let fire them and wouldn't pay him his salary why did he insult him why did rosenberg insult the man because he to go to the funnel to go off of there before he read the tory any further he took up for the assault for the shamus yeah and balled him out you call them you are nothing you ain't this and you ain't that what business is he got the test tell her insult the man but why did he insult the showers why don't you i'm sorry because he he didn't want that man to stay up with him and read them and help read the torah you know when you have a show the man lays his in the ending a prompter yeah those two men are supposed to be prompters if you're sick but he didn't give me a prompt he told he read it before he read it he he ran ahead of him out of the Khrumash, and he interfered with him.
Okay. I'll get an understanding. So why you ball a man out to take him aside? You shouldn't do it next time. Right, okay. So I said, he questioned me, and I told the story. Yeah. Then I said, now he didn't question me. Did you meet this cantor up in the Caskell Mountains? I surely did. Didn't you get him a job? That's not true. My cousin lives there, and I asked him where he had a kosher place to eat. And we went in there. As I came in there, I saw the canter there, knowing that his heir there are coming there. I'll take a note to God on the Bible.
And he said, what are you doing? He said, that's my cousin here. And that's all he asked me. He told me he applied for the job. And I think he got the job. But I had nothing to do in any way, shape, or form to help them get another position in their congregation. They gave me judgment for $7,000. And all the children got mad at me. Of course I'll tell the truth and I'll do it again. Now the sheriff Israel I joined, I pledged $5,000 for the new building, $1,000 a year. I gave them $1,000 cash for the other Hebrew school and I bought a machine for the teacher of the children.
They copies off things from the television and shows it in their classroom. I paid a thousand dollars for that. And I saw Repetish every year they had graduation. The best student gets something that I put forward for him. You know it's in the program. So now they have a habit of giving a little gathering for the children to have a birthday. For instance, the month of November, all the children in the gathering here come up here. let's say hello to you wish you happy everything and they tell stories that the children don't comprehend that old children had don't know and the other ones don't know so two weeks ago rabbi feinstein made a talk that people complained that the house wasn't the kind of place to live in he went to the rabbi he said the rabbi you might have heard him he said the rabbi said get two horses and put them in a house and get two cows and two goats and two sheep and see if they like it.
So finally say, oh, take them out there's a good house and everything. What the children know about a house and the horses and dogs in the house. And this Saturday, Rabbi he spoke and the children didn't understand what he said. see at the kiddish we're standing eating something that's rabbi you handled them wrong a child the youngest of the oldest they expect something the conversation you gave them the minute they walked off of there they start laughing what did the rabbi say but if you're given something take home this is my birthday present in the rabbi from the shul and i'll finance it I never thought about it.
I thought to myself to get money you members but to spend a dollar you don Why don a rabbi spend all the money for a shul Getting so much money every year a house free cut his grass free Why should they spend a little bit? This is the tzedakah. And Feinstein the same way, he came to a Shalasudah, he makes a speech, we should have women rabbis. I said, wait a minute, Rabbi. Suppose the Rabbi is a female. She gets pregnant. Well, suppose now I hurt my ankle. That's an accident. He said, Tommy, you didn't say it anymore. There's no logic to it. I have nothing against women, folks.
And the first thing, my wife sat over there and I sat over there. We didn't love one another. We didn't respect one another. it was done just for the convenience of the wife we used to have anywhere from 3 to 12 children how are they going to go to shul in the morning and the evening how could they go to shul Saturday in the morning and have to feed their children so God forgave them from going to shul not because the women they weren't allowed to come I said you're segregating I said no you're not even segregating women years ago didn't come in dressed up and hide a fashion like today I came to shul once One of the shepherds, my wife and I went to the church for some reason.
They come home next to me. They took a box on her hand with a short dress. And she cut the legs over. I says, honey, there's a draft here. Let you move on my seat. You understand what I'm trying to tell you? I respect this woman. I respect you. But you've got to earn it. to take the women give him after I give him the title the entire the Torah what happens in the woman menstruates she's like he's not clean they don't say of course is a woman his heart of person is made up you get for instance a Saul Kaplan married the woman the law says Kohen cannot marry a woman is divorced He did.
You follow what I'm talking about? We read the Bible in the morning we skip five six pages We read the Torah we skip so many pieces from a revi until shishi or shavi they go skip over What is it written for You want to cut it out? One letter is gone, you can't read it. What am I going to do? Where will I go? why should they talk from the pulpit about the women rabbis and they have meetings at the shul at the meeting at the shul discuss it you're going to take the Sabbath there not going to sit at the shul why bring those things up there give us a subject of the Torah which we shouldn't learn from we've had it for so many thousands of years why should we skip pages fucking had to go up and holler at anybody Mr.
Elish comes in shul in the morning nothing on his head he on and goes oh I forgot you're a godfather you put it on the street before you go in the shul so here I am anything else you want to know about me? yes how was it that you left Austria? A big part. How is it your parents left Austria with you? Your family left Austria? Well, Papa went first in 1897. Why? Because they had no school for us. All the schools they have in Austria is a Catholic country. And he didn't want all of us to fall into their hands. So he went, and then, of course, he didn't send us any money.
He didn't make any money. Mama sold everything she had. she could raise there were five of us I was five dr. Salter seven Shlomer was nine Shannon was 11 from was 13 the other two came with Papa together the oldest brother left to be 104 and Fagy all the sister lived to be 83 Mr. Sobel lived to be 97. Jenny lived died young. Sam lived to be 78. Mordecai died young. Some brain disorder he worked his head so far He wanted I tell you in a moment I tell you My brother Mordecai was a man who wanted education a young boy He was in high school to graduate and he was 15 years old that all he was So he and my mama were talking and I was in the bedroom.
He says, Mama, I want to go to college. I don't want to work on Shabbos. Mama said, I can give you something to eat and a place to sleep. Money we don't have. I got the job the next day. And whenever I earned seven, eight dollars a week, I brought my mama here. until I left New York. Every nickel I took him, Mama and Papa got. I had a business, a soft drink business. I sold it and gave them every dollar but enough money to come to Texas. The fare, I came, I had $5 in my pocket when I came to Dallas. My mother gave me a sack full of food and I'd buy a cup of coffee from the fare and I came with that.
All right. my brother Mordecai graduated from City College his bachelor's degree his master's degree at New York University and his PhD from Columbia in 1926 I have a book that he wrote when he got a PhD How the Jewish People Got to Be American Citizens he has the most beautiful write up Mopsick has it, I may give it to you someday you'll read it that book got him there he was head of all the organizations that were after to take care of the jewish people that came across he and dr. Benderly organized the first jewish welfare board yeah my brother do you know what year well I tell you they worked so many years they're not taking a year in 26 I have a letter from him in the 26th I can give it to you and he's He was very active in the Jewish affairs.
He was a professor and also some other in the Yeshiva University. See? He did. He was a professor. Office also, you want to raise money for the yeshiva. And his son was the chaplain of West Point. And he escaped West Point 18 years of his life free of charge. Last two years he gave him a salary. I have pictures I can give you if I have a handy. I'll get it for you. When they came to the States, and I lived in New York. My father, I don't know, my mother, my mother brought five children with her. Where was your father? New York. And then, so she joined him in New York?
Yes. Did they ever move from New York? Yes, later on they went to Williamsburg. I left, went to Dallas, went to Williamsburg. Williamsburg the borough in the Brooklyn borough your sister had already moved to Dallas the oil but it was gone except Mordecai was in New York and not the oldest one he had to be 104 what do you Jewish education like where did you get your Jewish education? I went to the yeshiva until the age of 10 and then the city came by and said the board of education said we must go to public school. So I said go to public school and go to the yeshiva in the evening.
That's where I got my education. Yeshiva's H. Hayam on Henry Street. Now the Manhattan Bridge is right over the building. Now it's Norfolk's home. My brother Mordor became teacher in English. those people that wanted to get in, so he went to the Board of Education and said, I'll teach them English, and so on. And it gave them the responsibility. A young man, 16 years old, 17 years old. We were charitable with our time. We didn't have any money. Who did he teach English to? Was he teaching to the young students? Yes, also he had private students, so he had to have a little money. he had private schools that come to the house.
And I could hear him trying to reach some English He had one young man he says the smoke come from the ship The smoke come from the ship He said no that what you said He couldn get in the pronunciation Those kind of students he had were difficulties. And whatever they paid him he had, then after they all leave, he'd sit down and do his homework at night, put a pair of gloves on his hand, it was so cold, until three or four o'clock in the morning, and eight o'clock he went to college. Now, what else do you want to know? When you came to Dallas, what was Jewish education like?
What were the shuls like? Well, the only one that had really a great education was the Sheriff Israel. They were on Jackson Street then when I came here. I went to the shul the first time in high holy days. Each shul had what you call a teacher. the first Israel had an old man taught them the Hebrew see and how they were Darwin Mr. Weinstein was his name and my so that some of them would come to my to my father-in-law's house to teach the boys and my wife learned more about the Yiddishkeit and Darwin by listening to them than they do today she wrote Jewish letters to my mother and father and she my mother father came says you you you're the only one who married a golden girl no i says a richard girl no no you see it's from gold see they came here mama papa came here then mama came here papa died in 1931 he died mama died the funny thing about mother I was I think it was in Park Road yes I was dreaming about my mother and she says come to see me I won't be here long that was in 34 and I woke up so I told Sarah my wife I think I had to go to New York She didn't ask why and I didn't want to tell her.
So her brother, Isa and I went to New York together. It was 1934 in August And I came to her at a tenement and told me your mother is in the Caskel Mountains So we took a train up to the Caskel Mountains a spritic for Shabbos So we came there and asked the lady, where is Mr. Salty? She's in the basement cooking for Shabbos. I came looking at her. She used to cook for five, six, and eight people at Friday night. And she was by herself in a little pot. I said, no, she didn't know I was coming. So I says to my brother-in-law, you go over and talk to her.
She knew him. Hello, Mrs. Salters. Oh, Mr. Wachofsky. Why didn't you bring my son with you? Velvo, they called me. Well, he'll come up. Oh, I wish he would. I'd love to see him. Oh, I miss him so much. See, I was in the business. I sent a pin. I sent her a watch I sent her earrings and so on she had it all decorated so I went closer to her he says you know Mrs. Salty he says your son can come by and surprise you if you wouldn't surprise me I'd love him so much and I put my arm around her and she started crying and we sat down they both cried a while you raised you saved my life I didn't tell her anything but the dream and then became Fishabah we went out in the field my brother came up and Lisa and my wife my mother and I sat down and we read the story of Fishabah and she said how happy I am my two sons are here and we took her back to her tenement in New York and holidays were coming up already and we came there late in the evening so we leave, gone leave in the morning.
So we came in her hotel room house and this three room house and she had a breakfast King of England couldn't have it there. My brother Issa says, give me our cook. Look at that breakfast there. Half a grapefruit, cereal and eggs and everything. Well, in my heart I knew what I was thinking. So we got through went downstairs she came down with us I can see her standing right now and hugging me my baby brother Well, she died three months later. What a dream is. Right after, after Huyama Narayan, in 35 she died. I have in my office a big cardboard with both, every day, every yard saying to my father and mother.
From 31 up until 75. Mama's saying wait, 35. in beautiful writing, in Hebrew and English. The fellow in Dallas used to do those things. He died. What else do you want to know? Well, you talked about the individual schools in the religious school of the synagogues. That's the only school I had. From then on, whatever my father taught me, I followed along. Because I went to work at 13 years old. I was still going to school and they called me back and I said I'm 14 years old I hadn't a certificate I wrote to Europe in how long it takes to get a certificate but the time to come I was 14 years old So you were able to leave school?
All of us have a picture of a basketball team that I was the head of the world basketball team the teacher who had us in the low 5th grade didn't want to leave us she organized a basketball all came no girls allowed now what else you want to know well um now hebrew education came sell my uh that's all you just kept standing picture that okay what about yiddish that's some talk back talk you just not like i didn't even i came from europe didn't you speak yiddish in the home was that the first mama was she and sarah could talk either she good as i could She wrote Yiddish letters to my mother and father.
Did she speak Yiddish at home? Did Cherovsky speak Yiddish at home? Did she? Yes. Very little, but every woman come in, the Willepis was built here. She would go with the ladies to the doctors, when she lived on Caroline Street, yeah, and go with them. She listened to her complain and gave it to the doctor. These had a place on Cedar Spring Clinic, She'd go there all the time and help the doctors after we married. And help the doctors find out what's wrong with them and she'd explain it to them. Well, she was a dying dude. How did she learn the alphabet? How did she learn the little characters?
Did she go to Hebrew school? No, no. I told you, she listened to the rabbite teaching the children in the house. She had to practice writing. Well, she did. She did. He taught that in writing and she wrote it. She had gone off her mind. She's the only one in the family that can sing or ever read a book. I used to come once a month here and go to play the piano and all the neighbors go talk to Mr. Richardson, including soldiers. Every time I came I brought a new roll of music. They said all around the porch, I'm forever blowing bubbles, bubbles in the air.
They fly so high, reach up in the sky. Those things like that, you know. She had a good voice. And they got a kick out of it. They bring their children up there and the whole thing. So one day, Mr. Rosenthal, all of our son, the butcher, says to me, Mr. Salter, you know how much pleasure you gave me when you was engaged to Sarah. Why? I go to Mr. Rachowski, then come sort of scaric. We enjoyed your singing, and Sarah's better we ever heard. And I joined the show at the Fair of Israel on Highland Street. So they used to sell the alias. So they used to buy it and give it to one of the, Mr.
Herman, the baker man. So the boy said, how about buying it for you? Well, I'll try it. And I went up there, and I learned that, not in the Shiva, I learned from watching and learning. Da-da-da-da-da Da When the rabbi officer heard me the first time says where did you learn They gave me one Yalala I off to Haftorah for Shabbat Shubah There's three Haftorahs in one Haftorah. So I have a kumash here, it's different than one in Shub. so I got up there with the one I had here and I kept reading one after the other and the other people kept looking at their books they couldn't stop so when I got through rub off says let me see that homeless no wonder they couldn't find that I couldn't either he says what he gets I I could have a lot of times for the omen.
And they come over to me, how is the young man doing? Now you can, for instance, Saturday night. know when i sing it when they go up there read it but don't know song rabbi says where do you get that another way you can say you see you can sing that too i said sure the shallow study you have here is you don't you don't you don't ring you don't sing you hear a speech. What else do you want me to tell you? I'm glad you will. It's 20 past five. A few years ago, this is Ginger Jacobs and I'm talking to Mr. Saltus. A few years ago you were telling me about how it was when you came to Dallas.
What was Dallas, what year did you come to Dallas? It a good thing you don know what tomorrow will be and you don know what tomorrow will be because it a column You go away, and you go away, and you go to what will be tomorrow. and you go along and you go along and you don't know what I could say what you will have and you don't know what tomorrow will be. And you don't know what... Well, like I said, I don't know what... Well, let's say this. You don't know it. It's like what tomorrow will be, and you don't know what yesterday was, and you don't know what's going to be.
was a Zahn-Besman-Nicht. I know one thing tomorrow, and I don know what will be again and again and again And you go away and you don know what will be. You don't know what to be because the mensch khalam sakh. You go along what'll be and what won't be and you don't know what... well anyhow, I went away and I don't know... well, it's... it's our column. that's what it's going to be. You don't know what it's going to be and you don't know what it's going to be after and after and after. And, well, it's like I said, You don't know what's going to be.
And you don't know. That was a column of Zion. It's like I said, the story. The story of tomorrow. You don't know what's going to be. I don't know. We don't know anything. Just like Al-Gazart I know one thing. We don't know. What's the time? Here I was. I don't know anything anymore. as the dreams. That's what's going to be, is going to be. It's like the dream that's going to be tomorrow is going to be tomorrow and it's going to be yesterday. day And you don know I don know anymore anymore what going to be Here I was and I don't know what's going to be at any time.
I got a question. Zion Martin. Yeah. I don't know the column, the column, the column, she don't know anything at all. Like she don't know what the moral will be. No. No, and I don't want to know. I don't know. I don't want to know. Kinder Of the twelve children I was the only one That Kholam Kholamthi My oldest brother lived to be... 104. Uh-huh. You told me 104. That's right. I can't remember you. And my oldest brother was, uh, uh, uh, yes, he was, he was. He lived to be, what, Alanti, you know what it was? she lived to be she lived to be a long time and what did he accomplish and out of all the children I was the only one That was Abel Made a living My mother looked to be, what was it then?
Anyhow, he lived, she lived, Mama lived. And my oldest brother lived to be, he lived to be, he lived to be, All of yore. He was a, he was a, lived to be a long time. What, what kind of a, Sir, well there you are. Yes. Kalaam khalamte. Keep on hallowing.