William Waldman
William Waldman, who went by Bill, was among the young Jewish men in Dallas whose parents belonged to B'nai B'rith and who felt a junior order should be organized locally. Around 1929 to 1930, when he was 18, he and a group of friends came together to form AZA Chapter No. 135. He recalled fellow charter members including Dr. Joe Rothschild, Dr. Saul Katz, the Ute brothers Oscar and Hyman, Iser Waal, Johnny Smith, Melvin Yonick, Joe Bach, Isaac Goldstein, Eli Coble, Izzy Heckman, Isaac Sobel, and Manny Reichman, an attorney who served as the group's first sponsor.
Waldman remained active in AZA for about five years, from roughly 1929 to 1934, until he was about 21. He served as the chapter's second president, likely in 1931 or 1932, following Joe Rothschild, and he was captain of the AZA basketball team and played on its softball team. The chapter raised money through events such as dances and "hobo dances," and traveled to places including Oklahoma City to perform a play remembered as the Judas Maccabeus Degree. He recalled saving photographs and newspaper write-ups of these activities.
Waldman was active in Congregation Shearith Israel, noting that most of the young men belonged there rather than the Temple, whose membership was largely German Jewish at the time. In 1931 or 1932 he and Dr. Saul Katz debated members of the Hillel at the University of Texas on Jewish political aspirations in Palestine before a packed house at the Jewish Community Center, and he later spoke on "the Jew as a patriot" at an Armistice Day program. He belonged to B'nai B'rith's George A. Levy chapter, the social FHH organization, and the AOTA, the alumni group of Dallas AZA, which produced plays under Aaron Spelling's direction.
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It's November 7th. I'm a research volunteer for the Dallas Jewish Archives at the Jewish Community Center. Please tell me your name. My name is Bill Walden. And we're going to do an interview today on Dallas Chapter ACA No. 135. Why was ACA organized? Why was 135 organized? Well, at the time, you know, there were other AZA chapters over the United States, and we decided here in Dallas to organize one, because there were a number of young people who were very active in the B'nai Rith, whose parents were in the B'nai Rith at the time, and they felt like since AZA was a junior order of the B'nai Rift that we ought to go ahead and organize one.
And so a bunch of young fellows got together and organized it. I'm trying to think of who came here from the National Association of AZA to install the chapter. I should remember it at the moment. I can't think of it, but it might come back to me after a while and interview. If I give you a name, maybe it might help you. When I saw a membership card from ACA 135 in 1930, it was signed by Phil Klutznik and Sam Beaver. Sam Beaver and Phil Klutznik. Okay. Yes. How was ACA number 135 formed? How did you and your friends go about doing it? Well, there was just a group that were interested, myself.
If you want, go ahead and give me the charter members. The charter members? Yeah. That's my next question, too, so go ahead. Well, Lee, a group of fellows got together. Dr. Joe Rothschild, Dr. Sal Katz, Oscar and Hyman Ute, myself. Let me think just a moment. Can you cut that off a minute? let me... Iser Waal, Johnny Smith, Melvin Yonick Joe Bach Isaac Goldstein Eli Coble Izzy Heckman Isaac Sobel Go ahead. Manny Reichman, who was an attorney in Dallas at the time, and very active in the B'nai B'rith, he was our first sponsor. Was he the father of one of the boys, or just took him on a volunteer basis?
No, in fact, I don't think Manny Reichman was married at that time, even. And I think he remained a bachelor until he was killed by his next-door neighbor because he was a Jew, and the next-door neighbor didn't like him and killed him. him and I don't think they would prosecute him. That's been, he was killed, Manryich was probably killed about 40 years ago. Mr. Wallman, what was the year that you decided to organize it? Do you remember that? I think around 29, between 29 and 30. Okay. Was there at that time a minimum age or an age group for AZA in the country? I think it's 16.
Okay. I believe it was age 16 that was the minimum age. Okay. Can you tell me, do you possibly remember, there was a charter that each one of you put your signatures on when you were chartered, which would have been a year after you organized. Yes. Where it might be, who might have it? I have no idea where it might be, honey. Okay. Of course, you understand there are a number of the charter members have passed away. Oh, yes. I'm trying to think, you might ask me, probably you were the first president you'll get into that after a while, probably I don't know. Yes, I will.
How old were you when you got into ACA? I was 16 or 17 years old. Okay, can you pinpoint a year? Was it 29 or 30? It was in 30. Okay. Because I was one of the original and I was a charter member. Okay, and what years did you stay in ACA from when to when? Till about 21, I believe. 31? Till I was about 21. Oh till you were 21 which would have been 30 Five years I was in it five years From 19 from 816 to 816 to 821 So, 1934, you would have been 21? Yes, right, right, right. So, basically from 1929 to 1934?
Yes. Can you tell me why? Why did you decide AZA and not something else? Well, I don't know whether there were very many organizations I could join. The Young Judeans, I guess, was an organization at the time, but I never joined Young Judeans. and I suppose that I joined because some of the other fellows like me weren't active in Young Judean, and they wanted to join a Jewish organization. What was it like being Jewish and being in Dallas in the 1930s? Well, in the 1930s, we were just at the time of the stock market crash. Thank you. Thank you Thank you that we had with the two members of the Hillel at University of Texas Correction, Mr.
Wallman was 18, not 16, when he got into ACA 135. Mr. Wallman, can you tell me, understanding that the times were difficult, what your social activities were before you got into ACA? You're asking me my social activities. We're very active in the Congregation Sheriff Israel. Many of us were active in Congregation Sheriff Israel. As a matter of fact, in 1931-32, Dr. Saul Katz and myself represented the Dallas AZA in a debate that we had with the two members of the Hillel at University of Texas. The two students in Hillel at University of Texas was Jarl Goranzik and a fellow by the name of Glassman. and the subject of the debate was resolved that the Jewish people should abandon their political aspirations in Palestine.
Dr. Salkatz and I had the affirmative, and the University of Texas Hillel had the negative. we had a big debate at the Jewish Community Center and it was before a packed house because at that time that was a very important feeling in the diaspora to try to make up their mind whether we should hope to have a political state in which you would call a cul-de-sac in the Middle East. Later on, I represented, a few years later, I represented the Jewish community on an armistice to stay program where I spoke on the subject of the Jew as a patriot. At that time, on the program was the Attorney General of the State of Texas.
When you joined AZA, what was the money factor? In other words, did you pay dues or so? What were they? Oh, sure, we pay dues. They were negligible. I would guess the dues, if I well can remember, was something like three dollars or five dollars a year. Did part of that go to national, or did it all stay here in Dallas? I think part of it went to national, just a part of it. Of course, we had money-raising events, we had dances, we had hobo dances, and I have pictures at home of all the group, the group that attended the hobo dance. We took pictures, and I can bring those to you too.
Okay. What do you remember specifically from those years? What did you get out of it? Well, we were able to socialize with each other, not only do things that were important for our Jewish life, to maintain a Jewish heritage that we had here. But also we did a lot of things that got our young people together on social events. Okay. Do you feel that from these years and the friendships that you formed, the men that you joined Isaiah with, this bond of Isaiah, did it help you keep their friendships? and keep you continuing your work in the community? Oh, I don't think there's any question about it.
Some of the members were just interested in, actually, in the social aspect of the AZA and wasn interested in the Jewish background that AZA was made available to us It just like any other organization Some of them felt that appreciated the organization and tried to do the things that would make the non-Jewish community proud of them. And they did activities in the non-Jewish community. Other than AZA, and you also mentioned Sheriff Israel that you were very active in, did you belong to any other Jewish organizations at the same time? Oh, yes, there was a social Jewish organization called the FHH. That was an organization that was established in Dallas in 1916 by a small group of fellows, but it was strictly a social organization.
I'm trying to think, of course, B'nai B'rith. We all joined B'nai B'rith when we got older. Most of us were members of the Sheriff Israel because the Temple naturally in those days, who had 95% of their membership, was a German Jew. and they weren't so anxious to get into a Jewish organization. What about Teferit? You had members from Teferit? Oh, Teferit, I don't think... Isaac Goldstein was a member of Teferit Israel, as well as I can remember, and probably Isaac Sobel. But most of them were members of Cherith Israel. Okay. What offices did you hold? Can you tell me? Oh, I was the second president of the AZA.
I think Joe Rothschild was the first president, and I think I was the second vice president. I think Dr. Sal Katz was the third vice president, and I think the Ute brothers were president. Can you give me years with these? Or the year that you were president? Was it a year? I think the year that I was president was probably 1931 or 1932. And Dr. Joe Rothschild was president, I think in 1930, when we organized and got our charter. What can you remember about the structure of ACA starting from the lowest level You had a chapter level Was there a district or a region Oh sure we had a district We had a region I can remember much about it honey Did you ever hear that?
Would it have been taxomas? What? Excuse me. Would it have been the start of taxomas? I wouldn't remember. Okay. On the national level, did you have a national president? Yes, I don't remember who it was. I remember Bieber and Kluxnick very well. I know who Sam Bieber was. Can you tell me a little bit about Phil Kluxnick? Oh, honey, I don't remember. I know Phil was an outstanding man. Both of them were outstanding men as far as our country was. They were very well thought of. by not only Jews but also non-Jews in the United States. Okay. I think Phil Kletchnick became a rather wealthy man at one time, if my memory serves me correctly.
All I know is I had seen his signature on membership cards and I was told that he was a national director, but I thought maybe somebody could elaborate on that because they were not real clear on that. Okay, after AZA, where did you go? What organization? Well, I'd say, like I say, B'nai B'rith. Which chapter? The Sheriff's Digital Brotherhood. The B'nai B'rith, George A. Levy. George A. Levy chapter was the only chapter then. And yet, like I say, I belong to the FHH, the social organization. Can you tell me what FHH stands for? Well, I don't think anyone remembers. Many people have asked what FHH stands for, and some people say jokingly, I think, a number of years back, that they thought it meant 15 happy hooligans.
And then someone says that there was 15 happy Hebrews. But no one I think ever really Originally I sure they knew what it was but it seemed like they had forgotten And all we knew there was FHH Okay you also said AOTA AOTA grew out of the AZA. The AOTA stood for Alumni of Dallas AZA. AOTA. You probably knew that, didn't you? No, I didn't know that. If the AOTA is Alumni of Dallas AZA, that's where we got the AOTA name. That's very interesting. When we got older, we organized the AOTA, and the organization went on for a number of years. And in fact, Aaron Spelling was a member of the AOTA, and he inaugurated a bunch of plays way back there where the Aota had different plays for the Jewish community.
And Aaron was sort of a director. Aaron Spilling was a director. Like he is today. You mentioned memorabilia. Yes, I have a lot of stuff that I can bring to you. Now, I was captain of the AZA basketball. AZA had a very fine basketball team. And I can give you the members of that basketball team. I was a captain of the team. and later was a coach of the ARO basketball team and we had a softball team that I played on and I can give you the names of those people and I have write-ups, newspaper write-ups about our activities that I can turn over to you Okay, there's one article that I have I don't have it in the house, I have it at the archives about a smoker night it was written by Henry Cleepack who had organized it Did you have these very often?
Smokers? I remember something about smokers, honey. What about degrees? What, I saw a degree team on a program. Oh, yes, I've got a picture of that degree team. Can you explain what that is? That was a degree team with reference to Judas Maccabeus. as well as I can remember. And we put that on in different locations. I know we went to Oklahoma City for the chapter and put that degree team on, put that show on. And we went to several other places, and we were quite well known when we put on these plays. It had something about the apostate Jew. But I have a picture that I can give you to show you who the members were.
So you traveled around with this play. Yeah, to a few places. Was it just a play, or what would the degree stand for? It was a play. Well, the Judas, I think it was called the Judas Maccabeus Degree. And I don't know how it originated. I'm sure it originated out of the National Organization of AZA, but my memory fails me. Okay. Is there anything further that you might want to elaborate about AZA, about what it was like in those days? Anything you can think of? Well, I do feel like it was an outstanding. The Dallas AZA was outstanding. I think that we had some members who were very dedicated and that were proud of being members of the AZA and we really did a lot of good things that's about all I can tell you Thank you