Zeck Lieberman
Zeck Lieberman was born on June 7, 1928, in Floresville, Texas, a small town about 30 miles from San Antonio, where he was the youngest of four children. He remembered a happy small-town childhood in a friendly community, where he could walk to school, the movies, and downtown. His father had emigrated alone at age 14 from the Russia and Poland region, later joining the army and settling in Floresville, where he ran a grocery and dry goods store. His mother, born in New York and orphaned young, came south to visit her sister and met his father there. When Lieberman was about six or seven, the family moved to San Antonio.
Despite the small-town setting, the Liebermans were deeply involved in Jewish life, driving more than 30 miles to San Antonio every Sunday for Sunday school and temple, where his parents were active and his mother served as sisterhood president. Lieberman entered the University of Texas around age 15 or 16, then attended Tulane Medical School, graduating at age 21 without a college degree, as was possible at the time. He trained in surgery, including at Barnes Hospital in St. Louis, and discovered his love for surgery during a summer course at Massachusetts General Hospital. He later served in the military during the Korean War era.
It was at a wedding in Wichita Falls that Lieberman met Marilyn, a Dallas native, and the two married. They came to Dallas in 1957, where he practiced general surgery with an emphasis on malignancy at Baylor Hospital, describing it as a welcoming environment. He credited mentors including Dr. Ochsner, Dr. Carl Moyer, Dr. Sparkman, and Dr. Duckett. The Liebermans belonged to Temple Emanu-El and valued its rabbinic leadership. They raised three children, Steve, Susan, and Randy, and had nine grandchildren. Lieberman remained close to lifelong Dallas friends and prized regular exercise, expressing deep gratitude for the life Dallas gave his family.
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my name is nancy ungerman and i'll be interviewing zach lieberman today today is the 13th of february and the videographer is ruth anders we were talking before tell me a little bit about your childhood where you were born it's a great childhood a boy in floresville texas i'm the youngest of four children my father originally had a grocery store but basically had a dry goods store in the town and the town's right about 30 miles from san antonio a population about 1500 people love it and i think you asked before where there are many jewish families there was one jewish family we were very close
to the town was just very very friendly to us we had a great childhood because of the small town it was easy to get around you could walk to school walk to the movies walked to downtown there was a movie house there's a theater i think i just told you my brother uh just turned 85 and he uh for his birthday he wanted to come down to san antonio visit my sister and us and all of us and his son-in-law and daughter and two of their children came with them they had never been to floresville he's from new york and she's from saint louis so
they've never been a small town in texas and neither had maryland actually been to floresville so we got a bus and all of us went down there had an unbelievable day as you turned off the highway which is where walmart pulled everybody out went down on the roads were no longer dirt but this move the arcadia theater was still there and the courthouse was still there and we ended up actually going to the railroad station that was no longer there but it had had a water tower and a sign and as we got there somebody a gentleman came up and said he's from houston he's
an amateur photographer and he took pictures for oh maybe 30 minutes or an hour sent us a they they just made an album of the pictures and just unbelievable so we had a great time floresville is now maybe 2500 people it hadn't really changed much but it was a great place with any people that we didn't see anybody any of that we didn't really see anybody there we just drove in that one day and had a lot of fun and showing around and reminiscing it was a great place to to grow up competition amongst people zero education was excellent at that time education all over
about the same but then we moved to san antonio when i was about six or seven years old went to school there and being from a small town was a benefit to me always has been delightful place to grow up um what is the date of your birth june 7 1928. in san antonio and you stay until what until i went well i went to uh university of texas between age 15 between 15 or 16 went to university of texas in those days all you had to do was to get on a bus go to austin go to a big table look up l and see if they had their transcript from high school and if they did 25 and you got into university of texas five thousand students in texas so it was very easy to get into university of texas it was a great educational experience so it made education very very pleasant were there fraternities
in those days my sigma delta was invisible my delta fraternity your neighborhood growing up in san antonio what was that like same it was a just a local neighborhood and very friendly and we walked to we could go to junior school junior high school we could walk we went to high school thomas jefferson we would take a bus or somebody had a car to drive us but mother didn't have to cart nobody had to carpool in those days all of the activity was very easy and my both my mother and my father worked so they they went about their business and there were four of
us and it was just a very pleasant childhood are you the youngest i'm the youngest i just want to back step for a minute sure um the the town pleasant what was the name floresville yeah for john connolly was born in florida that's the claim to fame was john county then he moved to fort worth i was going to say did you did your family know his family or my very much so my mother when he was in parkland hospital she called one of me go by and see john where you couldn't get into parkland hospital after that in time anyway so i didn't really
know him personally because he had already moved did you have any jewish education or were you conscious of being jewish oh very much so my folks were very involved with the temple in san antonio and every sunday we would drive to san antonio to a little over 30 miles sunday school come back uh my folks were both very active in temple my mother was a present sisterhood and we were friendly with the rabbis and all the people there yeah we were we were bar mitzvahed in those days not many boys god weren't messed with it but we we all did my three two brothers and
i so yeah we were we were exposed had dr fresh rabbi fresh was a rabbi and very good friend of my family so we were brought up in a very easy reformed jewish environment i would think that would be unusual for a small town well he had some contact being 30 miles away but the effort was made by my family and it was something we look forward to your family background give me a little bit of information about where your parents grandparents were born how they got to texas that's very interesting for both ways my father was born in between russia and poland in that
area and in those days if you were the oldest son you could stay with your family if you were any other son at the age of 14 you'd be conscripted into the into the russian army never to be seen again so my dad came over from russia or poland area by himself at the age of 14 he had saved up enough money to make the trip by himself went to philadelphia where we had relatives he stayed there for a while and then went down to texas joined the army and then settled in floresville he was in floresville before set up a grocery store and in
a dry good store but he was a very humble guy and just thought the united states was a haven and in those days when you when you would make a little bit of money you wouldn't do much on your own you just bring another family member over from the country so we always had relatives staying at our house they would come into the united states and come down to san antonio to floresville i'm curious it was in the back of my mind how did a 14 year old save enough money to make the voyage i have no idea i mean there were those days where
it didn't take a lot of money it just took a lot of ingenuity and confidence that you wanted to get that into an area that you could grow up my mother on the other hand was born in new york and her parents died very young and she had a older sister and a younger brother but she was sort of the mother of both their sister and her and her brother and so she grew up in new york and went down to yorktown which is a small town near floresville to visit her sister and that's when my my father met her when she came down from
new york she stayed and moved from new york city to florenceville the town and her got along just unbelievable she loved it down there raised us worked all the time with my father and that dry goodness and so it was a just a very pleasant experience both my parents are very self-sustaining and very family oriented uh what what is her what is your parent your mother's background as far as were the grandparents born well i really don't know a lot about it because her father died very young and her mother died soon after childbirth with with her with her brother so i really don't know
a lot about my grandpa never really met any of my grandparents only through the influence of my parents well so you must if you still have in new york uh not really very a lot of it's in new york it was it was quite a while ago my father stayed in philadelphia for a while but we really haven't kept up with too many of the relatives up in new york you know the family actually moved down to texas my mother's brother moved in with us and then he moved into laredo and other places to do a business so a lot of people sort of passed
through and in south texas we populated lockhart seguin and all this small town that's the only one i've heard of good town yeah rob's town yeah that that was probably a booming town for you well yes three or four hours a lot of small towns down it sounds like you did you never met with anti-semitism at all unbelievably so yeah i mean it's amazing because i went to university of texas it was extremely friendly i then went to medical school at that time the idea was there weren't many people who went to surgery who were jewish there was a thought to be in any potential
anti-semitic feeling as far as surgeons were concerned never touched me at all if anything an advantage to me jewish i've always felt then when i came to dallas i went to baylor hospital which is a baptist hospital and they welcome me with open arms and it's still extremely friendly environment so i've always heard about anti-semitism i've just never been exposed to the day of it in my life so after college you went straight into straight into med school went right into medical school in those days it was you didn't even have a degree i actually went to college for two years and then summers on
both sides and then got into tulane medical school without a degree i've still never had a college degree but you were allowed to do that i was just when i graduated medical school just turning 21 because it was sort of a rapid move in and out of college in medical school so you um going to baylor you just automatically came to oh tulane i went to tulane yeah i went to tulane medical school yeah so what got you to dallas that's long story i went from tulane i went to saint louis barnes hospital and at my surgical training there and then what i wanted to
do the opportunity was the korean war was on and so i volunteered to go in the army to go to a mash hospital because all my surgical friends were over there and the mass hospitals were just being developed in the front lines and the surgeons really had great experience so i really wanted to do that so i went to washington and volunteered to the army went down to san antonio in a day or two before leaving eisenhower went over and they signed an armistice and so there i was getting ready to go to korea and in peace time and it would not be a very
interesting job so they as luck would have it because luck would have it that's right because there was 500 of us there and they said the navy came in and the air force came in and said look we'll take people who want to come in if if you qualify for us long story short i got transferred to the air force went to the shepherd field in wichita falls which was a great experience and then we had a wedding it was a wedding in wichita falls and i went to the wedding and marilyn came from dallas and went to the wedding and that's how we met
marilyn was born in dallas and went down into the wedding and i was in the wedding party and we met and uh that was it that was it that's right how old when i was 26 27. um what did you do for fun uh growing up in san antonio and just living in the in the area with my good friends and my brothers and sisters and uh didn't really play in those days there wasn't a lot of sports in the direction they are right now it was just local and neighborhood sporting activities so just mainly the normal activities summer would i'd go to robstown where my cousins live and spend the summer in robstown so it's just a very easy easy childhood and on on friday night or sunday night you you drive san francisco sunday morning sunday morning it was only sunday
so you had a sunday school education from sunday school right um your career is medicine tell me a little bit about what you do or when we were talking before what you did well what was amazing because it's so different now when you try to go to medical school i was real young and didn't really know what i wanted to do my brother always wanted to be a doctor i never really thought about going to business with my father and my brother older brother but then i was young and thought well i'll go ahead and get more education so i applied to tulane and they
had asked they're always on the application why do you want to be a doctor and i said well i'm not even sure i want to be a doctor but i thought it would be interesting to look into and now if you said that they wouldn't even look at your application so once i was there i actually between my junior and senior year i liked all the courses and was going to be an internist athlete but had an opportunity to go to mass general hospital in the summer to take a senior surgery course not for credit in surgery just to learn a little bit more about
surgery and i got up i went up to boston and had a tremendous experience and from that day on i found out i loved everything about the surgical profession and you mainly i think work on my weakness well when i came down to general surgery with the emphasis on malignancy well i know i used you wonderful job i enjoy taking care of you and everybody else we have covered lots of things here uh who are your role models oh i would say my father number one my brothers several of my uncles all everybody uh led such a good life that it was something to model
myself after in medicine dr oxner was an unbelievable role model a very generous person he felt is more important to teach medical students than residents that's an unusual thing for a surgical chief and then dr carl moyer the chief of surgery he was the original chief of surgery at southwestern medical school but then he came to barnes hospital when i was there and then in dallas certainly people like dr sparkman bob sparckman just and dr duckett were excellent surgeons and they just were so kind to me to help me get started and really hearing off so i've people in front of me has really helped
me all through life really do um you have children grandchildren i know you do tell me a little bit about each one their names their ages i have three children and all are pleasantly happily married and nine grandchildren steve is 51 and loves the real estate business and the very active in the community and in all aspects and he first he went in with herb weissman and then his own his own company the retail connection that is really doing extremely well everybody sees his name everybody likes to work with steve he likes to work with everybody else and he has done a lot in the
community with cystic fibrosis and other other type of things and um he married lisa an unbelievable person and has two boys 17 and 16 and they're just thinking now about getting ready to go to college when the time comes 16 and 17. is that what you so they're 13 months apart a year and a half apart very close very nice boys and then susan uh married and uh you must brag about this for a minute who did she marry well she married michael dell who's certainly been a marvelous person for the country in the community as well as susan she's become very interested in philanthropy she's interested in all health factors of exercise and died and they're mainly interested in raising their children and they've got four children and their oldest is i think about 20 and then the daughter another daughter and then they have twins and they're
all again very active the daughter is is in college right now took a year and a year off between high school and college and her other daughter is graduating this year and then her two twins are still of course in high school guy twins or girls four year old twins boy girls and then my son randy live in town he's got three kids daughter and two younger sons and the daughter's like 10 and six i think seven and four and they're all everybody's active and grooming um so um you've actually lived here for 50 years we came in 1957 huh it'll be 55 years do
you have the same friends that you had when you first moved here unbelievably so yeah we uh very fortunate we have had a lot of them in austin in texas in maryland of course grew up here but the friends that we have uh have stayed very close as we've grown up and are still very friendly who are some of them and it's always fun to have that record buddy rosenthal nick rosenthal eddie daniels richard rosenberg the friends that we've been friendly with max tonkin we're with over the weekends and and alan kane and i actually come here and exercise the jcc every every sunday so
we've got a very close-knit group of friends do you are do you exercise on a schedule do you exercise more than once a week i love to exercise yeah that's uh at least three times a week whenever it's easy to do and i've always felt that was very important to me and luckily been able to do it obviously you look great we we organized an exercise group a couple years ago buddy rosenthal rita and marilyn and i and i thought well we ought to meet every monday at five o'clock and exercise and so i overdid the conversation that week and thought when i went off
that i probably overdid nobody's gonna show up where we showed up about five four five couples and so i have these ideas of health and exercise and i thought this is going to be great well we've met since then for the last several years on monday here we don't hear it well it started out to start here and then go somewhere locally to eat now we all usually eat and the exercise is sort of intermittent you exercise that's right the idea around the corners the idea of cindy's or wherever and it's a fun way to do things and everybody talks about exercise and doing it
sort of on their own but the congregation doesn't really come over here the way it was planned um tell me about um um i missed this about your jewish involvement in the in our community where do you go to temple temple emmanuel and rabbi odlen's extremely influential to maryland and growing up and extremely kind to me i had a very nice relationship with rabbi olin jerry klein also talked about people that you like to model yourself about he's such a compassionate man and it was great i thought all the way through and then david stern has we've just been very lucky i think at the
temple with the rabbi leadership and david's just doing a great job we had an opportunity to meet his father and marilyn and i have had the opportunity when he was alive to take him to go out to dinner when he'd come in town frequently and what a unique human being he was and david's just fought in his footsteps i agree i agree um were you interested in any um committees or jewish interested but then my medical practices sort of occupied most of my activities so i've i've been interested but not really been an active participant as like i'd like to have been marilyn i know
she's been involved she was uh early on i think the latest couple years hadn't been as active as she would like um is there anything you'd like to add i've missed in this year no i think you've covered mostly i think dallas has been extremely good to marilyn and i and to my kids grandchildren and it's been an extremely friendly town for us to live and raise our families so we're delighted to be in dallas well thank you so much you're a great addition well thank you