Zelda Siegel
Zelda Siegel's parents were both connected to Warsaw. Her mother grew up as a privileged child in the city, with her own nanny and outings to the opera, until circumstances changed that life. Her father, born just outside Warsaw, came to the United States as a young man through Galveston during the brief window when immigrants from Eastern Europe were admitted. Promised a job in San Antonio, he was taken in by the Charlott family, German Jews with whom he lived and worked, eventually buying one of their stores, a jewelry business. He later returned to marry Zelda's mother, who was twelve years younger, and brought her to Texas. Zelda and her brother David were born in San Antonio.
Growing up in San Antonio, Zelda lived on the opposite side of town from most of the city's Jewish families and attended schools with only a few other Jewish children, an experience unlike those who grew up in South Dallas. Her family belonged to the conservative congregation and observed Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Passover, and a small measure of Hanukkah. Her father, whose own father had been a rabbi, placed great value on education. Zelda studied at the University of Texas, where she first majored in piano, and at Incarnate Word College. She met Jack Hirsch Siegel when she was sixteen, fell in love, and married him on January 13, 1946, moving to Dallas.
In Dallas, Zelda raised her family and worked in real estate for more than 40 years, far longer than the five she first imagined. She and Jack had children, including two sons; she lost her daughter to breast cancer about ten years before the interview and later became a grandmother and great-grandmother. After leaving real estate, she volunteered for more than six years at the Vickery Meadow Learning Center teaching English as a second language, which she considered a highlight of her life. A devoted supporter of Jewish and civic causes, she reflected warmly on Dallas's growth and cultural life, and urged her grandchildren and great-grandchildren to be the best people they could be and to value a good education.
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i'm nancy younger men and i'm going to do an interview with zelda today zelda seagull and it is December 15th and I'm at the federal I'm at the JCC hello hello Nancy I'm so happy you're here thank you I'm happy to be here I want to start for the before the beginning are your pet were your parents born in the United States No and they were tell me about where they were born my mother was a privileged child from Warsaw her father was a merchant and she grew up with her own nanny hmm and is going to such couple events as the Opera and her
life was like that until I'm not quite sure what happened but then there was a forgotten what the word pogrom know when they when they won't buy from the merchant no no be the Nuremberg the Nuremberg Laws no I don't think so but anyway so at that point she didn't have that privilege of bringing anymore my father was born right out of Warsaw and he came here as a very young man came through Galveston during that very short window of when they allowed the people from Eastern Europe to come into the United States he had been promised a job in San Antonio and so he
immediately went to San Antonio and was put with the Charlotte family they were German Jews they took him in he lived with them he worked at their stores subsequently bought one of the stores that they had which was a jewelry store and went back got my mother who was not his family but in the family and he brought her here she had a honeymoon across the ocean on the George Washington ship that's the story my brother and I but my brother is David Sakura and we were both born in San Antonio after that of course so this was in the 40s actually it was in
the 20 in the 20 like to say it was all forties okay was in the 20s and my father actually came here I think about the 1910 but already knew your mother he knew her shoot she was 12 years younger and so he did her and he had gone back several times to see his family and saw her during those intervals and so then he went back and he got her to marry him to marry or got him to marry her yes so your childhood was in sanitary San Antonio yes I lived there I went away to school when I was 16 and really never
went back home because I married Jack Hirsch Siegel who whose home was Dallas Texas and after our wedding I came here with him and have lived here ever since and what's the date on that on the marriage yeah I have to go back okay it's okay right January 13th 1946 a long time ago yeah what was it like growing up Jewish in San Antonio who are you them or you in a Jewish community did you go to Temple were you bought whoa those face girl have understood well growing up in San Antonio we actually lived on the other side of town for from where most
of the Jews lived so I went to elementary school junior High's senior night with maybe two or three other Jewish children so we were that part of my life was not like people from here who grew up in South Dallas and but we did belong to the conservative congregation which most people did at that time a good Asylum in San Antonio and we were very much a part of the community my father was active in several organizations and my mother was too and so we knew we were Jewish you know there was no doubt about that practicing Jews we were we did him well sort
of you know we were not traditional in the true sense of the word but you know we did celebrate Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur mm-hmm I hope Hanukkah you know no not very hot it was a native comet at that time yeah I think occasionally we would have liked Eggman hora and I still have my menorah from when I was a child did you ever meet with any anti-semitism growing up actually not you know there I think the kids I went to school with you didn't know what it means meant to be Jewish mm-hmm you know I was just one of them now I'm sure
there must have been but not for me and I think boys growing up have more of that than girls do I don't think girls do that to one another but I think that boys might use some harsh words great that you were free of all that yes so you're Jewish affiliations were temple and your father was your father was involved with Jewish organizations I think you said yes yes after high school did you go on to college yes of course education was very important to my father and my mother and I keep saying my father because I his father actually was a rabbi and I
think that they impressed on him the value of an education so yes I went to the University of Texas and incarnate word college in San Antonio which is a Catholic College how did you meet your husband oh well I was all of sixteen years old and he had come to San Antonio to visit his sister and he had brought a couple of other Aggies from am and we actually met I had a date with a man named Buddy Smith and he had a date with someone else but when we looked at each other that was sin and I knew at the age of 16 that
I had fallen in love but I knew also that I was going away to school and that you know I didn't want to get too serious but you kept up with the jello absolutely I went to the balls and AM L spent weekends down there it happened do you have children yes Arthur I do have children I have two sons I lost my daughter about 10 years ago to breast cancer and I have grandchildren one little great-grandson and another one on the way for you say that again good for you and they are oh they all live and can you count that except for one
granddaughter who lives in California we're all here my two sons who have their own families and and I've never lived anywhere else you know except San Antonio Dallas are the first people you met when you moved here have you kept in touch with them and well I want to tell you that when I went to college station to reign them for those Falls and I spoke of the freshman ball junior ball senior ball I met Francis Goodman Goldman who was not married at the time we studied lifelong friends until her death about I guess a year and a half ago and her family I've been
friends with her family and through her and others yes I would say that we have stayed I have stayed friends with the people I met originally tell me what are your what keeps you busy well for 40 years more than 40 years I was in real estate and I would say perhaps eight years ago I decided that I had had enough when I first started I thought well I'll do this for five years and the five years turned into 40 so anyway more than 40 actually and so right now I am NOT doing any volunteer work but I did I was at Vickery meadow Learning
Center for more than six years English as a second language and that was something I really enjoyed I never thought I wanted to be a teacher but I love you that that was one of the highlights of my life you too Ruth the people who are there are there because they want to be there and they love you and they and appreciate they appreciate you so much it's amazing and one of these days I think I'll go back but right now I was very ill for about well more than a year I had something called hypercalcemia too much calcium in your body and that calcium
can go to your brain or your lungs or wherever anyway thank goodness I overcame it and so I'm pretty much back to myself had has Dallas changed in your eyes between the time that you came here and today I'm how has Dallas changed for you absolutely it has changed Dallas was not a very very small city when I came here but it it has grown not only in population and in the area but also the cultural events are really good right now you can enjoy them you can enjoy theater symphony restaurants good restaurants we can take advantage of everything and I try to I don't
want to be left behind and kind of thing big city big city and he's not New York but it's a big city if if you're bored you're wrong in this room yes you don't have to be bored there's always something to take advantage of what hasn't I asked people what has been your favorite decade do you think my favorite decade a decade yeah well that's a tough one you know I think that there's something we don't realize how excuse me and that's when we're raising our children mm-hmm when our children are all at home and they're young and we're young and we're busy with life
your husband goes to work and and and you take care of your children you do volunteer work there's so much to keep busy about I don't know what my favorite is actually but I think that's a very good time of life and then when your children leave you know you have that freedom and those times are good this is not the best time though I am happy and content it's not the best time because well first of all life changes you know you have to expect that things don't stay the same and my late husband has been gone quite some time and my children though
devoted to me have their own lives I have my own life and I have content I'm okay but I would not say that it's the best time I'm gonna backtrack oh okay can you remember any stories about growing up in San Antonio any adventures or any anything that was a landmark for you I think I had a very I don't want to use the word average but the kind of childhood that most people do as they're growing up I had my friends took music lessons to dancing you know but I can't think of any one event that maybe stands out from the others I think
I had a very very nice childhood I had parents who really cared they took good care of us and they were good parents they they provided for us in many wonderful ways and I have I just can't think of anything that stands out yeah in my mind that would have been different from most childhoods what who are your role models who are my wife who would you call your role models my role model yeah okay let me think about that well I think anyone who has really made a mark in this world I think in that respect I have disappointed myself a little bit I
would have liked to have been a little bit more in the public eye I don't think that I reached my full potential I was watching Barbara Walters last night did y'all watch her no she interviewed well some people didn't even know but Oprah Winfrey through sample who had a terrible terrible childhood and overcame so much and she's not one of my favorite people but I have to admire her for what she is what she has done and I think that that she probably is a role model for many people and I would like to write I don't write but I'd like to write a book
I I took piano lessons for many years and I was pretty good I wanted some awards but that's not something you want to do if you if you're a true people person you don't want to sit in a room and practice piano all day so I gave that up and this was in San Antonio yes yes well I even majored in it my first year at the University of Texas and then decided it wasn't for me but as far as role models let's go back to that I think Eleanor wrote Roosevelt Roosevelt Eleanor Roosevelt could have been a role model for almost anyone and I
think maybe and I've forgotten her middle name Lindbergh I think that she could be a role model I think those women decided what they had to do what they could do and they went along with it and I don't think they let anything stop them well for example over when Winfrey said she didn't think she would have been a good mother and actually she said that she wouldn't have a been able to accomplish what she did accomplish if she had had children so I don't know if that's true or not there are many women who have had families and their own careers and have done
remarkably well they're known all over at least this country or all of or all over the world maybe you can make do you don't have to neglect your children you can be there for them but maybe you ought to pursue your own intellectual capacity your own desires to do what you want to do I think that makes us a more complete person what has what what what has Judaism played in your life today today well I guess I belong to every organization in town almost and I'm not in the true sense of the word a very traditional Jew but I know that I am Jewish
I don't want to be anything else I give to Jewish causes I think that it's up to all of us who are Jews to do that because nobody else is going to do it for us and I try to give to civic causes but in my heart giving to Jewish causes is the main thing I don't um I guess I never had a truly traditional home you know like some people do my mother didn't keep kosher she didn't do any of the things that that I know other people have done to maintain a more traditional home but we did have Passover Rosh Hashanah Yom Kippur
some semblance of Chanukah very little because one didn't at that time as I said before and and I think that it doesn't really matter what religion you are if you can be a truly good person the golden rule and probably if you'd listened to all the basics in your religion Jewish or non-jewish I think that we would have a better world what advice would you give your grandchildren and your great grandchildren what's the best advice that you can give them from your life experiences or your observations or what you did or what you didn't do what what advice I would say probably to be the
best person you possibly can be and that would cover a multitude of things that would mean be good to your fellow man and treat them well and do your best in things for example when you're in school try to make that good years because it's so important to have a good education a good education is the basis for your whole life it keeps you interested in all sorts of things and to me that would be the the best thing that I could possibly say to my grandchildren my little great grandson who is now two and a half and I hope that they will continue as
their great-grandfather did my father my mother my their great-grandmother and be really good people interested in in everything voracious readers interested in the community doing everything that you can can possibly do to live a good life well have I left anything out I don't know is there anything you wish to add no pretty much covered okay well you've done a great job today thank you thank you so much so this you