Zella Sobel
Zella's father came from Warsaw, Poland in 1905, arriving through Galveston with four children after his first wife died. His sister, living in Waco, Texas, told him a tailor was needed there. In 1908 he sent for a woman he had never met, who bravely made the ocean voyage to marry him. The family grew up poor but rooted in a small Jewish community in Waco, attending an Orthodox synagogue and observing the holidays. Zella recalled her mother buying meat cheaply, making meatballs and soup, and the neighborhood so close-knit that neighbors would send her home to her mother.
In Waco, Zella attended school and Hebrew school under Rabbi Blumenthal, whom she remembered fondly. She became active in Young Judaea and a champion debater, winning her high school and regional contests and then a state debate championship, which earned a four-year scholarship to Baylor University. She could not accept it because her father was ill, so she attended business school and worked for the Waco News Tribune. She met Isaac Sobel, five years her senior, at a Young Judaea convention when she was fourteen, and after courting for five years they married and settled in Dallas.
In Dallas the Sobels first lived on Grand Avenue and later joined Shearith Israel, buying a home on Stanford. Isaac dealt in unclaimed freight and opened a paint and wallpaper store on Elm Street. Inspired by a friend's beautiful table setting, Zella taught herself to cook and gradually became a sought-after caterer, preparing food for weddings, brisses, and bar mitzvahs, even though her husband disliked how hard she worked. She endured deep losses, including an infant daughter and her daughter Gail to cancer, and welcomed her daughter Marcia's husband Fred, who converted to Judaism. Devoted to her faith and community, Zella cherished her nearly fifty-year marriage and remained proud to call Dallas home.
She and Isaac lacked one week of being married fifty years when he died.
Full Transcript
it's an interview with Sarah Sobel on Thursday January the 24th and we're going to do a an oral history of Sarah Sarah my first question is what country is your parents come from Warsaw Poland dad came in nineteen five and he came with four children his wife had died and somehow his sister living in Waco Texas of all things said to him if you will come to Waco there's a need for a tailor my dad was a tailor and I often wondered what they thought he could make mrs. chew hands but anyway he came with four children to Waco Texas came by way of Galveston and in nineteen eight he wrote two more song just sent him a ride can you imagine a lady 23 years old beaming family and everybody to come to a man she had never seen other than a picture I used to say to her how did you have such a nerve you know can you imagine coming all the way and and then August when there were storms on the sea she never dreamed that she would even see America to come to the golden of Modena some golden of Modena to
a man that she had never seen before that's their pictures it's back of you right there that a beautiful couple but fortunately my dad was a very kind man very quiet life in Waco Texas the shelter was up the street from us and my mother would go away by a boat for a quarter and bring it home take the meat off of it make wonderful meatballs and then make a big pot of soup with some bone we were very poor but really know it just kept where we were but we grew up in a Jewish community and my mother and father would visit in the
neighborhood there were several Jewish families living in our neighborhood and I always had to go with them because it's never allowed to be at home by myself although we never liked to do it but never knew what is that the neighborhood was in Waco they every yes particular constant unnourished 9th Street and it was real funny I had a big dog at that time her name was Nellie and my mother would say to the dog Nellie don't tell the seller to come home she would go to the unisons and miss you - and would say she's not here she would go to the biermann's his
Behrman would say she's not here go across the street to the Wizards and miss whisset would say Zelda your dog is here your mama want you to come home would you believe this but I promise you it's the truth it really is I wanted to ask you say no when your parents came from Poland was it as a result of discrimination and you know wrongs I don't think well yes when my mother came it was when my father came he came really because his wife's sister it said she would help him to care for the children and it was an opportunity to go to a
new land now with my mother her mother urged her to go there was work for grumps in Warsaw at the time and her mother said and of course she never saw any family one cousin managed to emigrate to Waco and they lived with us for some time and then he could not stand the south and so they moved to Detroit Michigan that was the only relative that my mother had now as a result of that family one of the children married against ki ji ans KY and they moved to Florida and I have a very nice close relationship with them they're the only relatives that
I have my mother's side everybody else cuz wiped out when you lived in Waco I assume you ascended and you said you attended this your parents attended the synagogue it was at that time Orthodox the women said upstairs and I never shall forget on Yom Kippur my mother would bring a little sack of grapes for us for the children because we were too young too fast at the time well when I got to be searching I'm grown already I I want a fast so I did and I never shall forget my mother said to me go see how Papa is feeling he was downstairs and
we were of course we're upstairs and I went and the first thing he said to me is gates and Obama go to your mama he wouldn't even let me stay long enough downstairs you know women were not allowed and you went to scoot away come yes what kind of school well it was a very nice school and I didn't see any anti-semitism there at all yes Waco and I became active in young Judea and began to enter declamation contests and then I came a school debater and I was gonna write up for a letter and tell her all about my experiences as as a debater
i never shall forget we won the high school My partner and I won the debate championship for our high school and we went on to the region and I never shall forget the regional meeting was during Passover and my mother and mrs. Fred packed matzah for us and food for us to take to dinner and when we got there the kids got into there was a Jewish boy Edward Fred I showed you in the picture of him and we were the two Jews that were there and they took the matzah and crumpled it up and put it in our beds that was pretty funny well my brother said to me if you should by chance win the state debate championship I'll buy you a wristwatch at that time that was a real prize to get a wristwatch at my age who would have money enough to buy a wrist
lock well we won and so I sent him a telegram cost 35 cents and I said one state debate championship by watch so when I came home he bought me a watch and here we ones a state debate championship what do you think the prize for winning was a four-year fully paid scholarship to Baylor University I couldn't take it my father was sick and so I passed it up didn't bother me at the time you know was just that's what you did father was sick so my brother and sister borrowed $100 from the Hebrew free loan and I got a I went to business school
got a I guess graduated if you could call it that got a job at the newspaper in Waco and I work for the Waco News Tribune and I worked there and I could earn 10 cents a line if I so classified ahead so when I got through with the letters I was making the big salary of 16 dollars a week in fact I had the opportunity to get a job to make three dollars more and my dad said don't take it you know where you're working they're very nice to you you don't know what you would get as the other place you better stay where
you are at the time I wasn't you happy with him because I could have used that extra three dollars because I spent all my money and I wouldn't have to go blur for my brother every week I'd have to give him my whole paycheck because I get borrowed all the money a spendthrift that's what I was you went to Hebrew school in wait oh yes rabbi Blumenthal he married he yes he was that rabbi from I'll I have some pictures of him and I didn't know whether I should give them to the Texas Historical Society or whether I should give them to y'all I'll show
them to you see if you think that you know he was really some man I remember him taking us out to Cameron Park and he would scoot up the bars like a monkey shows children how to climb the bars it was a wonderful man very special how you how you came to Dallas well I came for a young Geneva Convention I was 14 at the time and that's when you had home hospitality so they sent me to the soul house and Hannah Sobel I happen to know from young GD of conventions so I stayed there and of course Isaac was five years older than I
was so he certainly never looked at me but I looked at him and I liked what I saw so like I said I chased him jelly dog and how long did it take to chase him we went together for five years a long time but I told him I wouldn't marry him until I knew he would be in Dallas every night so that's how it all began and what was he doing at the time Xena what was rich was he well he was traveling over the state and buying unclaimed Freight and that's how he bought that stock of paint and wallpaper and opened that little
store can you imagine a store on Elm Street renting for $30 now when we marry came to wake the wind to Galveston on $80.00 that was how much money we had to spend and we had a very wonderful honeymoon came to Waco to pick up our some of our gifts and I said where are we gonna sleep tonight honey so what do you mean we're gonna sleep in our house what are you talking about our house he said oh I've rented a little house on Grand Avenue and Michie rented it to me her grandson was supposed to live there but he was moved out of
town so she said I could rent the house for $30 a month's free house brand-new so we drive to Dallas and a pouring down rain and we run up on the porch and he said wait just a minute his sister had said she would put a bed in the house and so he I like she left a key under the mat he had locked the door and he said wait just a minute this is our first home I have to carry you over the threshold I weighed 88 pounds it wasn't too hard to do we went into the house and the entire house was furnished
his family had come furnished in early salvaged but but all furnished we had a mahogany bedroom set we Duncan Phyfe dining room set but only four chairs two of them had been broken in shipment we had a rose-colored velvet couch I want you to know and in the kitchen we had a little small table with four chairs and a refrigerator that was something else for 1940 was it the one that had the ice in the top no no I said no just a refrigerator but that was a pretty good storm and so I didn't know a lot of people in Dallas so I decided I've
learned to cook the first thing I made I invited my brother who was living here at the time and his wife for dinner but I went to I went to the show on Forest Avenue frogs did you know there was a butcher shop on Forest Avenue and I got a chicken and he had made it kosher for me and I brought it home and I'm gonna have my brother and his wife for dinner that night and I come home about two o'clock in the afternoon was his dead chicken and I hit seething and see my mother make dressing so I had some breads that I
soaked in anyway the chicken was open back you know so I put the dressing in and I tried to close it up so I took they had some white satin ribbon so I tied it around the chicken with pretty little bow on top and then I had a round Dutch oven that I've gotten through it I went to put the chicken in so feet went in but the top wouldn't go in I couldn't get the top part oh I struggled with that chicken to finally cut off the legs and got the chicken in and put the top on it got it cooking well anyway my
brother and his wife came for dinner and he looked it's a chicken he said I'm not gonna eat that dead chicken he said come on get dressed we're going up for supper so where did we go I didn't even anything else it wasn't kosher so I'll never forget the first time I went out with Isaac I ordered a lettuce and tomato sandwich lettuce and tomato sandwich I put lettuce and tomatoes out all my sandwiches what do you mean you ordered and led us into well what was I gonna eat I wouldn't eat any meat I didn't even eat fish that was my story Sarah how
did you go from chicken that was done up in a satin ribbon to being the premier catering well like I say I baked a cake and my husband was so excited with the cake that when Willie and Sadie Wallman came to visit us he met him at the door with such a look what my wife baked well you know I had met Willie and a when I was 14 at this young GD of convention I met wittily Wallman and he was taking us somewhere and I'm trying to act like you know real first-class what what is the word I actually I don't even know I
I like I acted like I knew what I was doing which I didn't know and he turned around and he said to me this is Willie Wallace you talk too much be quiet - till the day he died we laughed about that but they invited us for dinner and all of the dishes match which I had never seen at my house our dishes came out of cereal boxes did your dishes come out of cereal boxes no but everything was so pretty the tablecloth was beautiful the dishes were beautiful the food was delicious and on the way home I said I suggest you wait I'm gonna
sit that kind of a table I'm gonna have that kind of edition and I'm gonna learn to cook just like Sadie woman that was that and I began to you know I was doing when sisterhood would have something I would help the show would have something and one day friend about Miriam Rothschild was expecting the baby I said well if you have a little boy I'll help with the breasts and those years you didn't know so Joe called me that next morning and he said hello I said oh you got a little boy he said that's right and Miriam said you would help with some
breast sure I will he said but it's going to be small we're just gonna have the family that's fine let me know and I'll I'll make some things call me later in the day he said help everybody that God said what time is the breast we had I don't know 150 people there and Edith Levine came up to me and she said I understand you catered this party I said well I prepared the food if that's what you're talking about she said my daughter is going to be engaged I wonder if you would make some of these beautiful things I said well my husband's out
of town I have to ask him so when he you know in those years women asked so when he came home I said you know honey somebody wants to pay me to do some of these things I've been doing for free he said oh no don't do that it was really a mail show with this you stay home and take care of the children I said no let me try it just one time he said ok one time never forget one time that's how it all again so I I did the party for ITA's Levine and Sarah Feldman was there and she said my little
boys gonna be marmots but I wonder if I could ask you to help with the bris with the Bar Mitzvah I said sure I will and then there was a lady there from Wichita Falls her name was Sarah Wolfson and she had just moved to Dallas and she said would you help me with my son's Bar Mitzvah I said well I'll be glad to do it but I'll probably over-prepare she said it's okay we had enough Turkey to send to the Salvation Army after the bar mitzvah because I was so afraid you know that I wouldn't have enough so that was that was the beginning
can you recall some of the people you catered for in that yes but I run into some people and they say to me oh you remember me you did my sons of our Mitzvah and after they walk away I said somebody help me who was that you know and it I should have kept a journal it's a shame that I didn't but you know my husband absolutely hated my working that hard and he would we would go somewhere and he would say you know me I'm mr. zealous opal and I would cringe because I knew how much he disliked it but he was right there to help me with everything that we had and but he was really not a happy camper with the business and said I can you recall the worst experience you had and the best experience you had kids with well I guess one of the worst experiences I was going to do Mitchell and Rita Rita blacks wedding and my brother used to say to me you know you're very foolish if you order invitations for someone you should get a little bit of a fee you order napkins you order
flowers you do all of that and you don't charge a thing for that I said well you know I deal primarily with people that I know and I figure I'll make my money on the function so I'm not I don't want to do that so when it came time to do Rita and Mitchell sweating miss flash and Rita went into Ashton's bakery they were the approved ones and they picked the cake and they paid for it came the day of the wedding I said to miss Blair I called her and I said did you Jill asked him what time to deliver the cake she said
yes about 2:30 in the afternoon well I'm busy getting ready for the wedding and all of a sudden it's 3 o'clock and there's no cake there when I call asked him no one answers I call mr. estimate home no one answers and in the meantime Rita and miss Blair walk in and she looks in the room she said everything looks so pretty but where's the cake I said it's on the way it was enough that I was worried I didn't want her to worry well it's getting later and later I call the temple no one answers I call the Colombian Club I called Brookhaven I called everywhere that I can think of and no one has seen the cake well Marty Swartz was the florist and he's getting ready to leave and I said would you do me a favor that cakes got to be somewhere they had the day maybe maybe they're just not answering the phone mr.
temple would you send Monroe's a man so he sends him in this truck full of debris and everything he goes to the temple the back door is unlocked and there on a table it's the cake sitting there all assembled which we never did it always came in boxes and then we put in the next thing I know the wedding is over and people are in Kaplan auditorium and the guests are out getting our d'oeuvres out in the lounges and mr. black says to me later you know so I looked over and I swear I didn't see the cake and the next thing somebody hugged me and kissed me and so forth and I looked back and the cake was on the table what happened there I said that's miss bland when I hit the Bible that's what my hair turned white man comes in and put it in this dirty truck like this I got hit my silver I got it how he ever drove with it all the best there were so many best things that I never shall forget I did I did a party for Sam
loserman and when he paid me there was an extra check in there made out to me for one hundred and fifty dollars and I was getting ready to go to Israel and I called him and I said Sam there's the check there is that a check that goes to the synagogue for a fees that you have to pay he said no ma'am it's not that's a check for the slug seagulls so booked to spend in Israel on herself that picture right there is what I bought and I always remember him it was so sweet of him talk about your families you have children unfortunately I
I had one daughter that died as an infant it was during the time that there was so much measles and I had measles and I always felt that that had something to do with it and then of course Gail Gail called me one day and she said you know mother I feel like I have a toothache and my hip she said I have such pain in my hip and it was near Rosh Hashanah and I said well daddy and I are gonna come to Houston for Russia so we went and I said it's Rosh Hashana but we have to make an appointment with the doctor
and so they did some x-rays and discovered the Chad cancer one died in infancy and then you're telling us about y'all had large yes miss Marshall was she was like a little renegade where Gail was the one that I never shall forget when she was at school and oh you she and we went to visit with her she came running to show us beautiful leaves that oh look at nature mother the leaves are so gorgeous she had such an appreciation for everything beautiful now Marcia was locked in arson and South Pole if it was poor him we'd have to dress in like Queen Esther we'd
have to dress Marcia like Haman there was it's much difference in the Jew and that's the North in the South Pole and where Gil would come in and always help make beautiful trays Marcia wouldn't run away she wanted no part of anything this and now she's a wonderful cook she and her husband love to cook I never shall forget she came home one day and she said I'm gonna get married you are who are you gonna marry well I'm gonna marry a man that's not Jewish so big shock to us and we cried a bucket of tears I don't mind telling you and then we
thought we lost a child at 28 we were surely not gonna lose Marsha so about several I guess about two months later one day I got a call from Fred and he said what would you say if I told you that I've been going to a class and I've just about decided to convert I said if you think it will please us don't if you think it will please Marsha don't because I never want to hear from you that you did anything because you saw we wanted you we made up our minds that you were Marcia's choice we lost two children we were not gonna
lose Marshall so he converted and if I tell you this is the best Jew you've ever seen in your life this young man never sits down to eat said he doesn't make a boat see it's just I wrote his parents a letter and I told them we weren't any happier to get your son than you were to get our daughter but unfortunately we lost children and I had to tell them I said you know you wanted Fred to be an Eagle Scout he was an Eagle Scout you wanted him to travel around the world he'd route around the world he did everything you ever asked
him to do the only thing he did that you didn't like was that he was marrying the Jewish girl but he said to me you know I never had much religion in my ass well of course it took him a while to finally decide that he had a good thing going and they have a very nice very nice relationship and I have great-grandchildren oh my goodness well our grandchildren I I'll never forget our grandson came home one day and told his parents he had been to college two years and he told his parents that he was born he wasn't learning anything we mean you're not
learning anything he said well I'm telling you the truth I promise you I'll get a degree but I'm not gonna get it right now he said I have enrolled in air controller school you enrolled in air controller school you didn't even talk to us about it well if I had talked to you about it you would have tried to dissuade me and I decided that that's what I want to do and I'm of age to do what I want to do so that's what I'm gonna do okay so he left town and he went to the first section of schooling and he called us one
day and he said I hope you all will come it's kind of like a minor graduation from six months of what I have learned and I hope you would plan to spend a little extra time because Heather and I are gonna get married who is Heather we never heard of Heather well out of 400 she picked me hear what I'm saying so we went went to the wedding that's the picture of them there and shortly after that he was sent to Wiesbaden Germany so I said what are you doing in Wiesbaden Germany they're teaching me how to direct helicopters up and down and I'd like
for you and mom and dad to come and visit us well I had sworn I'd never go to Germany but I went to Germany I went to Wiesbaden Germany and it was very interesting and we got to see a part of the world that I never dreamed I would see and he was there a very short time and was sent back and now he's I ask him now what he does directing how it helped her something down over Fort Rucker and near Alabama and that's what he's doing they have two children and the oldest one is three and the other one is one and they're
just and they seemed they they we helped him to buy a house and they're doing just right there and he has one more year of school and then he has already been approached by the person in charge of the airport in Austin they want to talk to him about the position there he said he'd like to either be there or in Dallas so we don't see no when we first married we lived on Grand Avenue and and to farad we could walk to farad and I had never been in a car on a hot choppers are on a holiday but then when our first child
was born and she was had playmates we'd have to take her all the way north we decided to join Sheriff's Israel and we bought a house on Stanford for $15,000 can you imagine and I never shall forget we lived on Stanford and we were carpooling to the show down that's when a sheriff before they moved ours and I picked up one of the little girls we stayed during the it was foolish for us to drive all the way home so we stayed and this family had what they called a Hanukkah bush he sent it in Yiddish a Hanukkah boy and I said to them I
can't let guilt go play with your child because if you have a Hanukkah bush she wants to know why she can't have one anyway we went and the rabbi was talking to the children and he said children should remember their friends celebration if you want to send them gifts and them gifts but Jewish children should not celebrate Christmas on the way home we're taking this little girl home she's very quiet and I said you're so quiet what's about it with you she said you know rabbi Weiss felt was talking about Jewish children having Christmas trees and you know and so on he was looking right
at me never forget it she went home and told her mother and father they were never to have a Tomica Bush again they never did you know when they say a little child shall lead them I won't tell you who it was but it was a very good friend to buy and another time she was having a big party and I made some garnishes for her out of turn flowers that I enjoy doing and I took him over in the afternoon and she had the table laid out and one one tray had a little card on it said brisket another one had turkey other one
had ham and I said her having Jewish people and you're having a ham osela you know we eat ham I'm not a hypocrite so I'm happy I said you're making a mistake but your business here are the garnishes so the next morning we went to the party about 10 o'clock that night and most everybody was gone already and I said nothing to her the next morning it's 7 o'clock my phone rang and it was Joe Rothschild did you have anything to do with that party last night I didn't see you there I said well I made the garnishes and we didn't come till 10 o'clock
we had something else to do he said I was insulted he said you have a party and invite Jewish people and you have a ham on the table he said marry him and I walked out I'm sorry that's that was terrible I couldn't wait to call my friend Joe I told her I said you don't do that can you give us kind of a quick description how you think that Dallas community has changed since the time you arrived how was it 60 years ago well you mean the Jewish community are the community at large I heard something on TV last night from the community that
just absolutely should be this young man is on and he's so happy he and his girlfriend are gonna have a baby where's the way there was no no word about a wedding I'm sitting there and I'm listening to this this you have to have on TV he was so excited because they're gonna and and he said I and my girlfriend are gonna have a baby now as far as the Jewish community is concerned I think there are more people not keeping kosher a lot more people don't keep kosher and now I find that the Orthodox community is well I hear and sometime when I'm in
town some I see baskets this high from Orthodox communities that are shopping there but I think the community has become very lackadaisical things don't seem to be real important anymore keeping kosher and observing holidays do you think it's because the community is growing much larger when you came was the community much this morning maybe that's it I I really don't know I I just find it so hard to understand I go to show we just got through spending a young fortune to enlarge share its Israel and sometimes there's not a minion there to say Kaddish and that's very sad you know I know my friend
of or a Ruben goes every Sunday morning he'll make a minyan well I came from an orthodox background it's still I don't go on the pulpit because my dad would look me and say the best good Meshuga he would so I don't do that in fact when I was honored they had something it sure and Rabbi called me and said we have selected you should be honest in rabbi please pick someone else I don't go on the Pope my dad would look on me with scorn he said that's okay we'll honor you with you standing down below the book so that's the way it was
anything else well no no this is wonderful I just what is the thing that gave you the most pleasure and really greet you the most just tell us about you know your life what would you what were your significant events in your life well my marriage I had a wonderful happy marriage I don't we lacked one week being married 50 years my husband was said one week we would have been married 50 years we had a very good marriage we had wonderful children and I wouldn't trade places with anyone in the world that's all I can tell you we're so proud of you being a
dentist what are you so proud of what is it that makes you probably you think that yes well I I just feel like I'm a part of a wonderful Jewish community and I wouldn't live anywhere else I know my daughter would like for me to move to Austin she said you know you're the last of eight children you really don't have I have two nieces that over here and live in the building for which I'm thankful for their for my daddy's first family they're his oldest child children and and I have a very close relationship with them I'm thankful for that but to move to
Austin I felt like I would interfere in their life and they wouldn't worry about whether I was making it to show and then they would have to take me here and there because I'm certainly not gonna drive in Austin so I feel like this is my home and I'm very satisfied to live here I could hear is the escena there are many Jewish people here I can't tell you how many Jews there aren't here and someone is forever going to the grocery or going wherever whatever so the things that I'm not driving right now with this bad arm I told you what the doctor said
he said he doesn't worry about what I would do to me he would worry about what I might do to someone else because I can bear turned my head and he said don't drive right now I'm ready to tell him I Brendan just sneaked said I just one last question if you had one wish just one wish anything what I wish I would just wish that my family maintained their health and that everybody be well and that everybody I know be well because when I say my prayers at night and rabbi Blumenthal said to me you never go to sleep without saying this and you
know it lingered with me all these years and that's all I wish for you